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02-09-2011, 03:12 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 7
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Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
All,
I'm freaking out here and I decided to post this here due to the volume of readers and the participation I'm seeing. I also saw an older post here about a similar situation.
I recently had 2 gentlement that came by me house unannounced and introduced themselves (if I remember correctly) as the Secret Service. They showed me there documentation. At this point I thought, "Oh, they must be here about my Marine buddy that is trying to become a board patrol agent of some sort." Then they went on to explain they are conducting an investigation that I may or may not be involved in and may or may not have some information. They asked if they could come in. I asked what is it concerning first because I didn't even know if these guys were real agents. They said, "It is conerning xxxxxxx." The x's are for the site I had been gambling at. I said, "OH!!!, ok. Come on in." Immediately they said I'm not in any trouble. They wanted to know things if I used the site, how long, how did I deposit money, how did I get the money out, did it come regular mail or something like fedex, etc.
I gave them all the information they wanted. They were able to show my a photocopy of one of my checks. I thought for sure I was in deep trouble, but in the end, they made make a written statement as a witness that said would probably keep me from having to go to court. When they left they said I will probably never hear from them again.
Ok, so now I'm freaked out a bit. I've read that the UIGEA is basically aimed towards the payment processors... not the gamblers like us. However, I don't know if that is exactly true based on what I read about 10 minutes ago. I think I read something about accepting payments from gambling sites is illegal. I really don't know, but I know I'm scared.
Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Has this happened to anyone else? The other post describing a story similar to mine didn't have any other people saying it happened to them and most thought it was BS. I would imagine others here will imagine my story is BS too, but I assure you it is not...unfortunately I don't have a way to prove it.
I don't want to state my name, site I was using, or state. I don't think my state has any of their own laws on internet gambling.
Can I believe them that I'm not in trouble? It sounded like they are after the site and the people processing the payments. Or will I be in trouble say a year from now when all this might go down?
I thought the site I was using was legal. They say they take US players. And again I thought the law went after the payers, not the players.
Thanks!
BR9
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02-09-2011, 03:19 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: New York City
Posts: 93
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
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Originally Posted by bostonrake9
All,
I'm freaking out here and I decided to post this here due to the volume of readers and the participation I'm seeing. I also saw an older post here about a similar situation.
I recently had 2 gentlement that came by me house unannounced and introduced themselves (if I remember correctly) as the Secret Service. They showed me there documentation. At this point I thought, "Oh, they must be here about my Marine buddy that is trying to become a board patrol agent of some sort." Then they went on to explain they are conducting an investigation that I may or may not be involved in and may or may not have some information. They asked if they could come in. I asked what is it concerning first because I didn't even know if these guys were real agents. They said, "It is conerning xxxxxxx." The x's are for the site I had been gambling at. I said, "OH!!!, ok. Come on in." Immediately they said I'm not in any trouble. They wanted to know things if I used the site, how long, how did I deposit money, how did I get the money out, did it come regular mail or something like fedex, etc.
I gave them all the information they wanted. They were able to show my a photocopy of one of my checks. I thought for sure I was in deep trouble, but in the end, they made make a written statement as a witness that said would probably keep me from having to go to court. When they left they said I will probably never hear from them again.
Ok, so now I'm freaked out a bit. I've read that the UIGEA is basically aimed towards the payment processors... not the gamblers like us. However, I don't know if that is exactly true based on what I read about 10 minutes ago. I think I read something about accepting payments from gambling sites is illegal. I really don't know, but I know I'm scared.
Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Has this happened to anyone else? The other post describing a story similar to mine didn't have any other people saying it happened to them and most thought it was BS. I would imagine others here will imagine my story is BS too, but I assure you it is not...unfortunately I don't have a way to prove it.
I don't want to state my name, site I was using, or state. I don't think my state has any of their own laws on internet gambling.
Can I believe them that I'm not in trouble? It sounded like they are after the site and the people processing the payments. Or will I be in trouble say a year from now when all this might go down?
I thought the site I was using was legal. They say they take US players. And again I thought the law went after the payers, not the players.
Thanks!
BR9
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Fortunately I saw this right away.
Don't use an internet message board for advice on this.
Insights from posters may or may not be helpful. Your best best is to contact an attorney who has experience representing clients who have been contacted in person by the DOJ so you can tell your entire story in confidence (e.g. all the facts, without generalities) and be properly advised what your rights are and how to proceed.
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02-09-2011, 03:37 PM
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adept
Join Date: May 2010
Location: GMU
Posts: 818
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
Never talk to feds without a lawyer.
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02-09-2011, 03:42 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: chasing cars
Posts: 3,290
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
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Originally Posted by t_roy
Never talk to feds without a lawyer.
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Always a solid plan for all Law Enforcement/Government agencies.
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02-09-2011, 03:54 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 7
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
So is everyone here thinking i'm in trouble then?
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02-09-2011, 04:45 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,880
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
Just get a lawyer, posting about it in public is bad.
History says you aren't in trouble, they're making a case against processors or maybe against a site, so although I understnd the angst I wouldnt exactly be fearing a trip to prison.
That said, talking without a lawyer is risky because anything you say that's false could lead to Federal charges. Best to play it safe and talk to a lawyer, and definitely dont take advice from message board posters.
If its a poker site, contact Skallagrim (see the PPA forum) he runs the PPA's litigation outreach program and can get you in touch with the right people. I'm not sure you can send PM's yet, but Im sure he'll see this thread and let you know how to contact him if you are interested.
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02-09-2011, 04:55 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: No Superusers
Posts: 2,802
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
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Originally Posted by bostonrake9
All,
I'm freaking out here and I decided to post this here due to the volume of readers and the participation I'm seeing....
I don't want to state my name, site I was using, or state. I don't think my state has any of their own laws on internet gambling.
Can I believe them that I'm not in trouble? ...
Thanks!
BR9
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Whatever else may be true about your post, if events unfolded the way you describe, then there is little additional risk involved in providing some details, such as the state you are from. After all, the guys who you seem worried about already know who you are and, thanks to you, have a statement about what you did.
It is a little late, but you should get lawyered up before talking to anyone who shows up at your house uninvited and starts asking you a bunch of questions, flashes you a copy of a check you wrote et cetera.
At a minimum, if you are worried, contact a lawyer to get advice on whehter your un-named state has some law you might have broken by whatever you copped to already. you should get a copy of any written statement you gave these guys as well. The PPA Litigation Support Network should be able to help you, it is right up their alley.
It would be odd if neither of these guys left a busness card for such a cooperative soul as you relate you were. That you left out that seemingly insignificant item makes your long detailed tale a bit suspect, but still possible.
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02-09-2011, 05:09 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Sitting on your former bankroll
Posts: 19
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
While i hope you are not, you may be in trouble....maybe what you signed amounts to a confession that can be used against you in a court of law. Solid advice above:"Never talk to the feds without a lawyer present"
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02-09-2011, 05:28 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Sucking at live poker
Posts: 2,625
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
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02-09-2011, 05:30 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,865
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
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Originally Posted by bostonrake9
They asked if they could come in. I asked what is it concerning first because I didn't even know if these guys were real agents. They said, "It is conerning xxxxxxx." The x's are for the site I had been gambling at. I said, "OH!!!, ok. Come on in."
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Given how squeamish you are in the rest of your post about getting in trouble for internet gambling at site xxxxxxx, why were you so eager to invite the unknown gents in to chat about same?? Seems strange...
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02-09-2011, 05:47 PM
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White Knight of FL Poker
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 6,163
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
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Originally Posted by bostonrake9
So is everyone here thinking i'm in trouble then?
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No. Chances are they aren't after any individual players, but just want evidence to bring more actions (property seizures, indictments) against the payment processor(s) for the site. Getting a lawyer right now won't be of any use to you as any damage you might have done to your rights and status has already been done. You only need a lawyer if you hear from them again. If you can't sleep, you might want to hire a lawyer to contact the federal agency for damage control, but that might only bring more interest in you if they truly are not of a mind to bother you again.
I'm not a lawyer. If you need legal advice, seek out a lawyer. If you are a Premium Member of the PPA, you have access to the PPA's Litigation Support Network.
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02-09-2011, 06:26 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Planet Erf
Posts: 2,928
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
Oh how I wish I was lucky enough to have someone who represented the DoJ show up at my doorstep.
OP the next time that happens tell those disgraceful representations of human beings to get THE **** OFF YOUR PROPERTY!
They can't do **** to you because you haven't done anything wrong. It's called INFORMATION BY INTIMIDATION. Those pieces of ****.
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02-09-2011, 06:31 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Triple Range Merging
Posts: 5,127
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
OP I can understand that you might be reluctant to share too much info ITT but We're (I'm) curious about what state you're in. Could your SN be a hint about what state this happened in?
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02-09-2011, 06:32 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Planet Erf
Posts: 2,928
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
Don't even waste your money on a lawyer, there's no need for it. No matter what you've already said or written that's fine, you can just tell them they already have everything they need from you and that there's not going to be any more cooperation. Period.
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02-09-2011, 06:44 PM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Philadelphia Posts: 102,678
Posts: 2,913
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Re: Department of Justice: Secret Service At My House
it's time to go Michael Scoffield on them.
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