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02-03-2010, 07:11 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2008
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Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
This was just posted 5 minutes ago on a site I don't know anything about.
Anything to this? Claims it happened "today."
Link: Mastercard Blocks US Poker, Casino and Sportsbook Deposits, VISA Next?
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Written by Roger S | Thursday, February 4th, 2010
A major form of depositing into poker sites, online casinos and credit cards is by using credit cards by US citizens. This method was blocked today by Mastercard after figuring out how gaming sites were manipulating the coding.
As it was, online gambling sites were supposed to be coded as “gambling” thus not allowed to be used to deposit for US gamblers. According to numerous gambling sites, including the ones we contacted (Doylesroom, Bodog, Absolute Poker, and UltimateBet) Mastercard is not a deposit option anymore. At least not at the moment.
The method of “uncoding” gambling transactions has been figured out by Master Card whom is known for their more proactive efforts in stopping online gaming in the United States. Their counterpart, VISA credit card has yet to figure out how to stop uncoded transactions. VISA is still being used widely by poker and casino players in the USA.
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02-03-2010, 07:16 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,606
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
Punch-Counterpunch
The card companies figure out whats going on and block them from gambling sites, the sites then figure out how to get around this till the CC company figures it out and the whole process starts again.
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02-03-2010, 07:27 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2008
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
Possibly true and news... someone just posted this to another forum:
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Originally Posted by stickyjuice
i want to trade a $100 mastercard giftcard for $100 dollars on Absolute Poker. the card usually works on AP directly but their mastercard processor is down right now.
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and
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Originally Posted by stickyjuice
... it wouldnt work on PS either...
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02-03-2010, 07:47 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,347
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
Possibly true and news... someone just posted this to another forum:
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When I started in 2004 I had a combo of 7 CCs/bank cards and none of them worked...
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02-03-2010, 08:56 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 205
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
why cant gambling sites just say they are selling something other than gambling like other businesses?
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02-03-2010, 08:59 PM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Hating randomness
Posts: 1,383
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
why can't they just fix this mess
so much for "personal freedoms" sigh
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02-03-2010, 09:08 PM
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adept
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
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Originally Posted by blah45
why cant gambling sites just say they are selling something other than gambling like other businesses?
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I think that, by itself, is a crime. Also, stars has said they won't do things like that. Of course, sports books will do whatever it takes.
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02-03-2010, 09:40 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Its only a PPA post if I say so
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
Intentionally mis-coding a CC transaction is a crime in many places around the globe. But not all. And the seriousness of the crime varies from place to place and often depends on specific circumstances. And also in some places it may be illegal but it may also be un-discoverable, or it may be ignored by 'friendly' officials.
The "whack a mole" game will continue, but right now (and I have no inside information to share) it appears from the reports that MC may have taken the lead.
Skallagrim
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02-03-2010, 11:46 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Eggocrushin egos
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
The method of “uncoding” gambling transactions has been figured out by Master Card whom is known for their more proactive efforts in stopping online gaming in the United States. Their counterpart, VISA credit card has yet to figure out how to stop uncoded transactions. VISA is still being used widely by poker and casino players in the USA.
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What the are CC deposits at WorldWinner coded as? In most states in America, poker is tantamount to any game WorldWinner offers by its very definition of skill gaming.
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02-04-2010, 01:49 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 207
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
I haven't been able to deposit via credit card for years. Is this new for non-US people?
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02-04-2010, 02:18 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Zero Millions
Posts: 1,653
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
I would like to see a method that allows people to use PayPal to pay for designated, changing items on ebay, that would then be deposited into their poker accounts.
What is needed is an easy first step, and then have the middle man do the job of getting the money to the specific poker account.
The method now makes the first step too difficult for most U.S. players.
Something like...
- If a player wants to deposit, they email the Cashier, state how much they want to deposit.
- Cashier emails them a link for an item on ebay for the appropriate amount. The item, and the seller, are constantly changing.
- Player buys item, pays with Paypal.
- Money makes it way, by magic perhaps, to the Cashier, and into the appropriate account.
Unless of course this would violate any applicable statutes. In which case, don't do it. But be more creative than the current method.
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02-04-2010, 02:21 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Sic semper tyrannis
Posts: 17,722
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
What the are CC deposits at WorldWinner coded as? In most states in America, poker is tantamount to any game WorldWinner offers by its very definition of skill gaming.
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Not quite. WW supposedly tries to make things "fair" for each player in a tournament, which means they would give every poker player roughly the same cards for a given tournament. In many states, WW is banned for real money.
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02-04-2010, 03:06 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,645
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
I have never been able to use a CC for deposits onto online sites.
I would assume this has little to do with US law and more for profit protection of the companies themselves. If they could keep customers from withdrawing funds for use in any gambling related transaction, online or in brick and mortor, I'm sure they would. I doubt there is great incentive to pay back money one has lost in games of chance and I'm sure there are many that can't
I'm actually surprised CC withdraws work with the ATM's distributed throughout the casino floors
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02-04-2010, 03:30 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 567
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
I'll be scared when they ban visa, never in 4 years could i use my mastercard
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02-04-2010, 05:22 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Another day in paradise.
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Re: Article: Mastercard Blocks US Poker
Are they referring to credit cards AND debit cards? Because not being able to use cc's easy is certainly nothing new.
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