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02-02-2012 , 07:56 PM
Im glad you explained it in more detail Skall. Minor quibble, I never said the IGC was giving money to the PokerPAC. Change "PPA" to "members of the PPA Board" in my post if you want as well, although I dont think that changes anything.

Its a distinction without difference to me and I cant have confidence in the PokerPAC at this point, but thats up to everyone to individually make their own decision. In my case, its not an unwillingness to donate towards the cause that's stopping the $$ from flowing.
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02-02-2012 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Im glad you explained it in more detail Skall. Minor quibble, I never said the IGC was giving money to the PokerPAC. Change "PPA" to "members of the PPA Board" in my post if you want as well, although I dont think that changes anything.

Its a distinction without difference to me and I cant have confidence in the PokerPAC at this point, but thats up to everyone to individually make their own decision. In my case, its not an unwillingness to donate towards the cause that's stopping the $$ from flowing.
The problem with the donations was not that the individuals were on the PPA Board, though. The problem was as Skall laid out. The only solution to the scenario would have been for PPA to have, in 20/20 hindsight, refused those donations at the time they were offered.
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02-03-2012 , 11:01 AM
Everyone can make their own decision. Im not telling anyone not to give money.

Im explaining my viewpoint and clarifying that Im not someone who has never donated to the cause lobbing in bombs. I have donated money, I have showed up at pro poker rallies, I have answered action calls etc. I currently dont feel comfortable giving money to the PPA, particularly the PAC. Thats all.
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02-03-2012 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Everyone can make their own decision. Im not telling anyone not to give money.

Im explaining my viewpoint and clarifying that Im not someone who has never donated to the cause lobbing in bombs. I have donated money, I have showed up at pro poker rallies, I have answered action calls etc. I currently dont feel comfortable giving money to the PPA, particularly the PAC. Thats all.
Actually, I am still not fully sure why you feel the way you do.

If you want me to sit here today and wish we had excluded HL and CF from PPA activity years ago, I will.

But if you want me to say that given what I knew then I should have supported their removal back then, I wont.

And in light of your past efforts losing your support is saddening.

We are still fighting for you though.

Skallagrim
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02-03-2012 , 03:28 PM
Dont get me wrong. I think you, TE, PX, Pappas, everyone are working hard at a thankless job and I do appreciate the effort. I wish I felt like donating was still the right thing to do.
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02-03-2012 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Skallagrim
Actually, I am still not fully sure why you feel the way you do.

If you want me to sit here today and wish we had excluded HL and CF from PPA activity years ago, I will.

But if you want me to say that given what I knew then I should have supported their removal back then, I wont.

And in light of your past efforts losing your support is saddening.

We are still fighting for you though.

Skallagrim
He is not comfortable donating because he worries that his donation will be donated by the politician to some charity.
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02-08-2012 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
I donated a reasonable amount of money to PokerPAC over the last two political cycles. Not life changing money or anything, but I bet something close to $1000 give or take.

A material amount of that money was disavowed by politicians and donated to random charities because of the PPA's association with IGC members. If I had wanted to donate the money to charity, I would have done that.

Since the PPA is still taking money from the IGC, Im not giving money this cycle. Not because I dont want to support pro poker politicians with money, but because I dont feel confident that money I give to PokerPAC will actually accomplish that goal because politicians believe money coming from PokerPAC is tainted.
LetsGambol, first let me thank you for any contribution you made to PokerPAC, but I also feel the need to clarify the misnomer that somehow PokerPAC is tainted. That just isn't the case. We continue to fully participate in the political process through our pac (i.e. attending and hosting fundraising events, endorsements of candidates, etc.). To our knowledge only two of the more than 100 candidates we have supported with PokerPAC money supposedly donated our contributions to charity: Dean Heller and Shelley Berkley. And truth be told they are in a heated race for the NV Senate and in my opinion (and the opinion of others) acted in a rash manner when they made that decision. Interestingly, Harry Reid said very clearly that he would not send back PPA money because it represents contributions from the poker community at large, not troubled companies or executives of those companies.

So the short of it is that PokerPAC is alive and well and still deserves the support of the poker community.

John A. Pappas
Executive Director, PPA
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02-08-2012 , 10:38 AM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=47

Didnt Barney Frank do so as well?

Anyways, the PokerPac will have my best wishes going forward.
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02-08-2012 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=47

Didnt Barney Frank do so as well?

Anyways, the PokerPac will have my best wishes going forward.
I think Skall may have misspoken with Barney. I was aware that he was returning funds he got directly from Howard, Chris, Rafe, but I dont think PokerPAC funds were returned. But let me confirm that. We actually have our PAC accountant going through to see whether in fact these lawmakers did donate our contributions to charity. It is harder to find that info than you'd think!

Thanks and I do hope you continue to support candidates individually and let them know you are a poker player!

John A. Pappas
Executive Director, PPA
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02-16-2012 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PPAdc
I think Skall may have misspoken with Barney. I was aware that he was returning funds he got directly from Howard, Chris, Rafe, but I dont think PokerPAC funds were returned. But let me confirm that. We actually have our PAC accountant going through to see whether in fact these lawmakers did donate our contributions to charity. It is harder to find that info than you'd think!

Thanks and I do hope you continue to support candidates individually and let them know you are a poker player!

John A. Pappas
Executive Director, PPA
Update, please.
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02-28-2012 , 09:41 PM
Did the list of 50 PPA State Directors ever get posted or not ?

Since there is now a State legislation thread alive in Legislation, folks might be curious about the PPA Directors' views on legislation in their respective States .
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03-09-2012 , 05:41 PM
FYI, Bryan (or whoever is writing his stuff) missed again when it comes to proofreading his stuff.

Seriously. This cannot be happening. Not when you're asking for money. Microsoft Word would have alerted anyone to this error.

"Additionally, the top fifteen players each month (their best eight games) will win a $500 buy-in to the live poker tournament of their choice. ??In the HogWild Staking Series, there are two $200 freerolls each week."
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