Whats going on with Nevada online gaming? - Page 17 - Poker Legislation

**PokerXanadu** · 07-21-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tamiller866

I just can't think of what they might have been discussing, accepting foreign players maybe? Or are they already looking into State compacts? Or just taking player from any State where raked poker isn't illegal?

I would guess both interstate compacts and foreign player pools.

Expert · 07-24-2012, 07:43 PM

Are we even sure this is happening? The time to get early brand recognition would have been this summer at the WSOP, and I had not found any gaming companies marketing this. When I was at the Aria about 10 days ago, I spoke up about whether Nevada poker was going to happen or not because I haven't seen any signs, and noone had an opinion on the matter. I fear that Nevada poker might just be an optimistic rumor discussed anonymously on internet sites, as it seems somewhat unheard of in RL. There have been a lot of threads for years claiming that internet poker is about to be legalized, is this just another one of those? (I've read every post in this thread, there seems to be a lack of public links.)

knircky · 07-24-2012, 09:22 PM

http://calvinayre.com/2012/07/24/bus...need-licenses/

Wow I am impressed. Looks like they understand liquidity problem and are trying to do something about it.

Groggy · 07-25-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Expert

Are we even sure this is happening? The time to get early brand recognition would have been this summer at the WSOP, and I had not found any gaming companies marketing this. When I was at the Aria about 10 days ago, I spoke up about whether Nevada poker was going to happen or not because I haven't seen any signs, and noone had an opinion on the matter. I fear that Nevada poker might just be an optimistic rumor discussed anonymously on internet sites, as it seems somewhat unheard of in RL. There have been a lot of threads for years claiming that internet poker is about to be legalized, is this just another one of those? (I've read every post in this thread, there seems to be a lack of public links.)

It's always bothered me that the DoJ just arbitrarily decided online poker is okay one day. What if the people that make these decisions get replaced by someone else that then decide to change their mind? That being said money rules everything in America, so it's unlikely that once these mega-corporations get a hold of it that it will ever go away. It's unlike the marijuana dispensaries getting shut down because with those anyone can open up a business cheaply and make a good profit. With the regulations here in Nevada you need $250,000 for a license if I recall correctly. So it's very exclusive to who can and can't do business.

pokerace37 · 07-26-2012, 02:22 AM

New article in the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

Shuffle up and deal: Online poker in Nevada may only be months away.

SickCallMcGee · 07-26-2012, 02:33 AM

^^^

This article above applies to pay-to-play sites. The status quo example is Club WPT. While online poker will be legal, it won't be fully actualized (meaning real money poker wagers) until the Legislature approves the Gaming Board's recommendations in 2013. I talked with a poker room manager for Golden Nugget and he confirmed that they were considering the pay-to-play strategy as a stop gap measure. Currently, Golden Nugget has a free play site with minimal prizes. However, he said with the influx of multiple players paying a monthly subscription fee (ie pay-to-play) that the Golden Nugget would be able to provide much better prizes (such as tournament tickets to live dailys or nightlys at the property). He understood liquidity very well and stated that there are 2k players on the site, but expects the number to significantly increase with the pay-to-play model.

knircky · 07-26-2012, 04:06 AM

Pay to play is already legal I.e. WPT site or even zynga.

mapleleaf · 07-26-2012, 08:51 AM

In final meeting, Gaming Policy Committee talks Internet poker licenses, expansion

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The committee recommended enabling Nevada to develop compacts with other states to allow more players to participate in online gaming. ...

Sandoval said he has not been in contact with governors of other states to discuss potential compacts, but Lipparelli has communicated with regulators of other states to begin conversations with other jurisdictions about regulatory standards and how revenue would be split.

pokerace37 · 07-27-2012, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SickCallMcGee

]While online poker will be legal, it won't be fully actualized (meaning real money poker wagers) until the Legislature approves the Gaming Board's recommendations in 2013.

So, in other words, being able to play real money (in that I pay $200 to buy into a 1/2 game or I pay $11 for a tournament, etc.) will not happen in Nevada until some point on or after Feb. 4, when the 2013 legislature starts meeting? However, before then if I was in Nevada I could pay the Golden Nugget (or somebody else) a monthly charge in order to essentially play freerolls with better prizes than the ones currently being offered on 100 percent free sites?

Just to make sure we're on the same page, you're saying that there is no way that there will be 100 percent real money online poker in Nevada until Feb. 4 at the earliest? Is there any way that timeline could possibly be moved up, or is that simply not possible?

**PokerXanadu** · 07-27-2012, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pokerace37

So, in other words, being able to play real money (in that I pay $200 to buy into a 1/2 game or I pay $11 for a tournament, etc.) will not happen in Nevada until some point on or after Feb. 4, when the 2013 legislature starts meeting? However, before then if I was in Nevada I could pay the Golden Nugget (or somebody else) a monthly charge in order to essentially play freerolls with better prizes than the ones currently being offered on 100 percent free sites?

Just to make sure we're on the same page, you're saying that there is no way that there will be 100 percent real money online poker in Nevada until Feb. 4 at the earliest? Is there any way that timeline could possibly be moved up, or is that simply not possible?

This is wrong. Regular real-money poker will begin in NV as soon as the licensing and regulatory approval is completed. There is no requirement to wait for changes on or after Feb 4. What will change is waiting fed approval for interstate and international compacts. The current NV requires fed approval, but the committee recommends changing this.

SickCallMcGee · 07-27-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

The current NV requires fed approval, but the committee recommends changing this.

There is a significant difference between a committee recommending policy and lawmakers (Legislature) making those recommendations law. I fail to see how you think that a recommendation qualifies as a change in law. The fact is Nevada has language that prohibits the regular real money play until a) The DOJ writes a letter directly and specifically to the state of Nevada stating that practice is legal or b) A Federal law is in place. We are going to have to wait until the Legislature convenes and votes the recommendations into law. This is pretty basic 9th grade civics here. In the meantime like the article states: In 60-90 days, pay-to-play sites will begin to pop up as a stop gap measure.

http://www.lvrj.com/business/shuffle...163793346.html

VP$IP · 07-27-2012, 02:21 PM

Is this the section under discussion?

5A.240 Scope and Effectiveness of Operator of Interactive Gaming License.
1. A license granted by the commission to be an operator shall not allow such licensee to offer interactive gaming from Nevada to individuals located in jurisdictions outside the state of Nevada unless the commission determines:
(a) That a federal law authorizing the specific type of interactive gaming for which the license was granted is enacted; or
(b) That the board or commission is notified by the United States Department of Justice that it is permissible under federal law to operate the specific type of interactive gaming for which the license was granted.
2. Upon the commission making a determination that 1(a) or (b) of this section has occurred, an operator of interactive gaming licensee that intends to offer interactive gaming from Nevada to individuals located in jurisdictions outside Nevada shall submit a request for administrative
approval to the chairman, on such forms as the chairman may require, to begin such interstate interactive gaming. The chairman shall conduct a review of the operator of interactive gaming’s operations to ensure that it is able to comply with these regulations and all other applicable state and federal laws. The chairman may approve or deny a request made under this subsection. The affected licensee may request that a denial by the chairman be reviewed by the board and commission pursuant to Regulations 4.185 through 4.195, inclusive.
(Adopted: 12/11)

SickCallMcGee · 07-27-2012, 03:59 PM

I was referring to AB 258 which alludes to the DOJ federal approval for intrastate play.

http://www.unitedstatesgamblingonlin...oker-bill.html

AB 258:
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/7...s/AB/AB258.pdf

However, with the language omitting proposal recommended by the Gaming Policy Committee, is this enough authority to allow real money wagers in 2012 even if it does not become law until 2013?

LT22 · 07-27-2012, 07:44 PM

Idk what you keep posting about. Iirc the bill specifically talks about DOJ/INTERstate offerings. Nevada doesn't care and won't ask for permission for gaming in the state. I'm pretty sure your posts have been debunked more than once, but you continue to state your claim.

SickCallMcGee · 07-27-2012, 09:22 PM

I'm just reiterating the view of different articles which contradict each other. My view isn't really a view at all, but a regurgitation of other information. However, I'm certain now after reading through the law and regulations that DOJ approval is not necessary for intrastate play as the article in my last post dictates.