Warning about U.S. Licensing and Regulation: what is happening in Italy can happen to us! - Page 15 - Poker Legislation

pokerace5434 · 08-05-2009, 01:27 PM

I'm from London England this really sucks i miss them American fish LOL

please keep fighting for your rights

TeflonDawg · 08-05-2009, 01:42 PM

FFS, all the people who think there is a "status quo" please understand that there is no such thing! There never was!

Before the UIGEA, we used to be able to deposit via PayPal and any credit card. Gone.

Then came UIGEA, byebye PartyPoker, easy bonus whoring, hello loss of fish and concentration of USA regulars to PokerStars and Full Tilt.

There was FirePay, gone.

There was NETeller, gone.

There was ePassporte, gone.

MoneyGram? Lasted like a week.

There are checks and echecks, both getting hassled by the DoJ, SDNY, whothe****ever, 2-3 times in the past two years and many had to go 3 weeks to a month without receiving a withdrawal in each instance.

If a bank hears or thinks the word "poker" or "gambling" they shriek. They overblock now. We won't even know the full wrath of the UIGEA until December (I personally am not too worried about this, but WTF do I or any of us know with 100% confidence?)

At no point was there ever a status quo. Yes, I get my money on time 99% of the time. But for the past 5-6 years playing online, the games have (outside of the drastic change from the UIGEA) gradually gotten less soft (not in the sense zomg I can't pwn fish anymore, but in that there are less recreational players b/c they think it's illegal and the Feds are gonna barge through their front door, whereas us regulars are playing everyday thinking the polar opposite), transaction methods are periodically attacked, and powers that oppose are simply never gonna stop. Period.

I know some of these bills look like they suck now, but firstly they're not etched in stone. Secondly, you have a choice to support them, or not. There's not some amazing option available as a panacea for online poker's freedom. It's pretty much like when choosing between Obama and McCain. You may not like either candidate for the aggregate of their policies, but if your sole issue was OLP, you knew that McCain was blatantly for banning it all, and Obama was neutral/non committal.

I'll finish this rant with a special thanks to posters of valuable contribution here on 2+2, Skall, TE, the PPA, even iMEGA and martyrs like Jay Cohen for maintaining what semblance of a "status quo" there is ATM.

**TheEngineer** · 08-05-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jussurreal

Oh ok, you are putting the 50% burden on the SITES. Ok this would be much better.

Yes, that would be much better than putting it on players.

Besides, it's not me. If it were up to me, government would keep out of it altogether. Congress has made it very clear that they will not stay out of it, so we have to draft legislation that Congress will pass.

LamboMurc12 · 03-29-2012, 07:48 PM

cant say OP didnt warn us

lowgearman · 03-31-2012, 01:25 PM

Hello, I agree with most of what you are saying but I oppose opt outs and blackout periods altogether and they should not be a part of the discussion after all what other civil and human rights laws are we going to let states opt out of.
Secondly I oppose any regulation of the internet which Italy and France have been for years trying to do.
We must also fight against this disturbing trend of economical fragementation which has reared its ugly head in online Poker. Imagine if this were to happen in the craft beer market what would happen to prices and consumer choices.
Say Goobye to Philly Beer Week or the San Diego bar festivals.
And while I agree that all online poker rooms should have a domestic anchor so they can employ Americans the problem with Intrastate Poker or even US Poker leaves us with two dilemas. One the only site that is big enough to do this is Pokerstars(Pokerstars.it, Pokerstars.fr how about Pokerstars.PA, Pokerstars.CA or Pokerstars.NJ) make it worldwide online poker monopoly hurting homegrown business who may be better to serve customers
Second if Pokerstars never returns for legal reason the all online pokersites would have to be subsidized by the US Government until they become profitable which under current legislation proposals would a long way off making it a taxpayer money trap. The purpose of this legislation should to generate revenue not provide more uneeded subsides to the wealthy.
In closing must not settle for anything less than what we had and it all goes back to this if we can let the government regulate or censure or in some cases impose internet bans what else will we let them do.

TeflonDawg · 04-01-2012, 11:07 PM

Post #212 speaketh the truth.

Adding to my list...

Full Tilt Poker? Gone.
Cereus? Gone.
PokerStars? Gone.
Everleaf? Gone.
My FTPs and cash worth $4-5k? Gone.
eChecks? Gone.

All we got left are shady checks, WU, and like 5 sites of questionable integrity. Looks like two wolves are eating my dinner these days...

stryker08 · 06-03-2012, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

Post #212 speaketh the truth.

Adding to my list...

Full Tilt Poker? Gone.
Cereus? Gone.
PokerStars? Gone.
Everleaf? Gone.
My FTPs and cash worth $4-5k? Gone.
eChecks? Gone.

All we got left are shady checks, WU, and like 5 sites of questionable integrity. Looks like two wolves are eating my dinner these days...

what can we do now?

Is there any current legislation to help us get back our right to play?

I haven't even played since the PS, UB got shut down to US players...a few games live but 2 hours to the closest casino...now im trying these new sites, Lock, Carbon, etc., but cant get any money in to them and really question there integrity since they seem to have absolutely no customer service whatsoever......

Really sucks.....

**PokerXanadu** · 06-03-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stryker08

what can we do now?

Is there any current legislation to help us get back our right to play?

I haven't even played since the PS, UB got shut down to US players...a few games live but 2 hours to the closest casino...now im trying these new sites, Lock, Carbon, etc., but cant get any money in to them and really question there integrity since they seem to have absolutely no customer service whatsoever......

Really sucks.....

Check out these threads:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...-12-a-1163341/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...ls-faq-651375/

and, of course:

The Daily Action Plan

TeflonDawg · 06-04-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stryker08

what can we do now?

Is there any current legislation to help us get back our right to play?

I haven't even played since the PS, UB got shut down to US players...a few games live but 2 hours to the closest casino...now im trying these new sites, Lock, Carbon, etc., but cant get any money in to them and really question there integrity since they seem to have absolutely no customer service whatsoever......

Really sucks.....

Keep the minimum necessary to play online. Cash out all profits ASAP and be prepared for any and all sites to get shut down at any moment, because they may.

Every site is shady, depositing and withdrawing is incognito and shady, but nobody really gets ripped off. It took me less than 30 minutes to deposit $500 on RPM (top notch customer support there btw), and every withdrawal request has been completed with zero issues over the past year. Even if a check bounces, they refund your account, so really it's just a matter of if you're willing to deal with the aggravation that happens maybe once of twice a year.

I'm going to join Bovada (old Bodog) and Intertops (old Cake Network, now Revolution Network with Lock and Cake) very soon and don't expect to have any difficulty with deposits and withdrawals, but I'm perfectly ready to move on if the money I have on any of those sites disappear overnight.

HustleStandard · 06-17-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

Keep the minimum necessary to play online. Cash out all profits ASAP and be prepared for any and all sites to get shut down at any moment, because they may.

Every site is shady, depositing and withdrawing is incognito and shady, but nobody really gets ripped off. It took me less than 30 minutes to deposit $500 on RPM (top notch customer support there btw), and every withdrawal request has been completed with zero issues over the past year. Even if a check bounces, they refund your account, so really it's just a matter of if you're willing to deal with the aggravation that happens maybe once of twice a year.

I'm going to join Bovada (old Bodog) and Intertops (old Cake Network, now Revolution Network with Lock and Cake) very soon and don't expect to have any difficulty with deposits and withdrawals, but I'm perfectly ready to move on if the money I have on any of those sites disappear overnight.

I had thought about bovada but wound up going with carbon because it had more traffic but now i see that it's customer service is the worst i've ever seen.

How is bovada? Good choice? Advantages vs disadvantages?

TeflonDawg · 06-17-2012, 01:32 PM

I haven't joined either site yet, but will reply when I do.

Gioco · 07-15-2012, 04:04 AM

An interesting development is that some EU countries are discussing consolidation:
http://pokerfuse.com/news/law-and-re...red-liquidity/

CwazyMonter · 07-19-2012, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gioco

An interesting development is that some EU countries are discussing consolidation:
http://pokerfuse.com/news/law-and-re...red-liquidity/

Very interesting. US states will probably end up consolidating as well if and when states legalize.

DirtyLoDown · 08-03-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wallstreetpro

Screw these offshore crooks and keep the tax money in the country!!!

I for one would love to see FTP and Stars put out of business and the US companies like MIR, Harrahs or Wynn go into the business.

Not to mention the stock plays that I could make if they took over the business.

The past is gone with a new licensing and regulating procedures why not let everyone in if the US standards would be strict if they are caught cheating etc etc.. IMO.