UB/AP Players requesting help from legal minds

[killtime]

I see its already been brought up but yeh was going to say whats the KGC saying/doing about all this? surely they have some sort of clout with them otherwise whats the point of them

[reztes757]

Originally Posted by killtime

I see its already been brought up but yeh was going to say whats the KGC saying/doing about all this? surely they have some sort of clout with them otherwise whats the point of them

And which body is supposed to oversee that players balances are held in segregated accounts and could a licensing body be held liable if they were not?

[YUMMYBUFFET]

Does anybody know of the best lawyer for us (skallagrim?)? I also would help pay if I get my money off UB.

[bdao8184]

I'm also in for doing whatever it takes to get our money.

[killtime]

http://www.pokerroad.com/forums/open...tuation-2.html

Barry Greenstein chimes in on making sure UB/AP were clean b4 advertising them or something back in 2008 just thought it was ironic considering his step-son is now the face of this train wreck

Found this the other day an i thought what have they (KGC) actually done commissioned sites to play agains 'US law' if u want to call it that, not insured segregated player accounts, allowed superusers, bots etc on the different sites they 'commission' they dont even do the RNG auditing.......Whats the point of em?? Y do sites even pay them?



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[TheRuffian]

Originally Posted by People_Mover

70k in my acct. and I will personally put first 1k up for lawyer fees. My wife and I are expecting our first child in 12 days and we need this money to raise our family.

Congrats on the baby hope it all goes well, but I can beat you there, my wife has our 2nd baby on Monday!! Cant beat the 70K though, Ive only got $20K on there.
Ill be following this thread. Am Uk based.
BeeredUpDonk/AlanSaysAHA.

[fishermansfriend]

3k on ub.

[DavidNB]

Originally Posted by spring83

am i wrong or couldn't the gov't step in and help out paying back players if ub/ap goes bankrupt and closes down or w/e? i mean our gov't has thrown billions to other countries when they are in a time of need. and now its OWN citizens are out millions of dollars (on top of which would be spent in the United States, thus helping the economy some %). wouldn't it be possible for a relief fund be setup for us? ima noob is this area but wouldn't that make sense?? its very possible that there are many players that are going to be broke if they cannot access THEIR money, and possibly have to resort to stealing and drug dealing to survive (a little extreme i know, but def. a possibility).

Why would the governement step in to assist someone who they had tried to stop for years.

[Piers]

Originally Posted by Thinky

1. What are our options right now? I'm guessing approaching DOJ would be our best shot of seeing any money. The seized bank accounts seems to be our only out at this point in time. Also, It's being alleged that today's raids were made at the behest of FBI.

Wait. My guess is that Cereus will be taken over by another company. There is still a decent income stream.

Originally Posted by kingo

You play poker online with offshore company when you know sending money to that site and or receiving money from that site is breaking the law as it is written regardless how wrong the law is, you are taking a risk.

Also I can not see the justification for the US government stealing funds belonging to non US citizens. So maybe they will be returned – really don't understand what's going on here.

Whatever just wait.

Edit:
Apparently they have not decalred bankrupcy, so maybe no real problem here.
Wait and see.

[mustmuck]

Originally Posted by Piers

Wait. My guess is that Cereus will be taken over by another company. There is still a decent income stream.

Edit:
Apparently they have not decalred bankrupcy, so maybe no real problem here.
Wait and see.

That press release is two days old.

For Cereus to be taken over by another company they'd have to have a sizeable portion of the player balances to hand. If they have this then there's less cause for concern anyway.

[sheetsworld]

I took a screenshot of my cashier, and included a webpage page with the current date and time. This isnt perfect obviously.

There has to be a better way to memorialize the current balance to protect our rights should we need to prove it? I fear the software not being able to load one day and all evidence lost.

Any ideas?

[Skallagrim]

Waiting is, unfortunately, most of what you guys are going to have to do in the near future.

Your contractual rights to your money are with the Cereus Poker Network. Cereus is still saying it will pay and is not in the process of declaring bankruptcy. The warning signs remain just that, warning signs.

Until there is a clear default or a declaration of bankruptcy, there is little you can do in terms of legal action against Cereus. And any such legal action would probably ultimately have to be settled in Antigua (I think that is where they are incorporated, anyway).

The Cereus funds in the hands of the US government are what I was referring to in my previous post. Again, it is far to early to know if there is a real chance of players being repaid from those funds should Cereus otherwise not pay players.

Both actions remain future possibilities, but cannot be started now anyway.

But you can prepare for those future possibilities should they come about as feared:

1) Make sure you keep all your personal account information in as much detail as you can;

2) Organize your group and agree on a person or group of persons entitled to act on behalf of the group; and,

3) Start looking for a lawyer familiar with federal forfeiture law and international civil claims. There are several such lawyers. One in Manhattan may be preferred, but it is not necessary. Once the group has found the lawyer it likes, retain his or her services and follow that advice in terms of preparing for any future actions/circumstances.

The PPA can help with these efforts if you contact the PPA directly (rather than just post on 2+2). Also, the PPA will continue to monitor the situation and will never stop advocating for the full return of all player funds from all sites. PPA resources, however, are stretched pretty thin right now and I cannot promise that the PPA will be able to provide direct legal intervention on behalf of Cereus players, especially if that effort requires proceedings overseas. And even if the PPA can and does directly intervene legally, you will still be in a better position if your group has its own private attorney on retainer.

Skallagrim

[poker1928]

Originally Posted by sheetsworld

I took a screenshot of my cashier, and included a webpage page with the current date and time. This isnt perfect obviously.

There has to be a better way to memorialize the current balance to protect our rights should we need to prove it? I fear the software not being able to load one day and all evidence lost.

Any ideas?

Maybe having deposit history combined with hand histories, that should match and corroborate what is displayed on the cashier?

(nothing on UB/AP)

[Lego05]

Originally Posted by AEPpoker

It almost goes without saying, but ill be capt obvious and say it anyway. Take dated screenshots of your cashier. I would even go so far as to say get a witness to be in a short video of your cashier.

If UB/AP's servers went down tomorrow (or if they just chose to stop letting americans log on), could you prove what your balance is?

Yea. This was like the first thing I did with my account balance at Full Tilt after I heard about everything. I opened up the world clock webpage:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

And I took a screen shot that showed my local date and time, my Full Tilt account balance, and my Full Tilt account details.

Short video might not be a bad idea either.

[DrVanNostrin]

lots of money on AP, interested in helping anyway I can