Sen. Reid's latest response on the poker issue to a constituent - Page 2 - Poker Legislation

tamiller866 · 07-24-2012, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by antneye

Dark,

Are you in some way associated with the lottery? Do you honestly think that anything that comes out of this bill is going to affect the lottery being able to sell tickets online?

The Lottery has always been the domain of the state and I just don't get your fears. The "gambling" that will be outlawed online is clearly casino games and sports betting. Lottery will end up with a pass just like Horse racing has (and poker will have)

ae,

The problem isn't whether lotteries will be blocked from selling tickets online, the 2010 bill allowed for that as long as the lottery game awarded prizes no more than daily.

The problem is that for someone like DE who lives in NY, the best opportunity for legal online poker would be for the lottery to run it, with the second best opportunity likely being for the Tribal casinos to run it, with perhaps some type of compromise available between those two options.

But the Federal proposal looks to kill both of those options as well as any compromise in between, leaving players in NY left to lobby their State to opt into a Federal plan against both the powerful interests of the tribes as well as the State's own lottery.

Any poker player in a State like NY should probably have his bags packed before using up his "one time!" on Federal legislation.

antneye · 07-24-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tamiller866

ae,

The problem isn't whether lotteries will be blocked from selling tickets online, the 2010 bill allowed for that as long as the lottery game awarded prizes no more than daily.

The problem is that for someone like DE who lives in NY, the best opportunity for legal online poker would be for the lottery to run it, with the second best opportunity likely being for the Tribal casinos to run it, with perhaps some type of compromise available between those two options.

But the Federal proposal looks to kill both of those options as well as any compromise in between, leaving players in NY left to lobby their State to opt into a Federal plan against both the powerful interests of the tribes as well as the State's own lottery.

Any poker player in a State like NY should probably have his bags packed before using up his "one time!" on Federal legislation.

I live in NY and still support a federal framework even if on day 1 I will not be able to participate. I don't happen to think that would be the case, but I will deal with it if it occurs for the long term health of the game.

I am not as up to snuff on some of the nuances, but I see no reason why the lotteries can't compete in the poker game along with the casinos...and I have not seen any evidence that they are being barred.

There will be a compromise. There's too much money on the table for there not to be.

tamiller866 · 07-24-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by antneye

I live in NY and still support a federal framework even if on day 1 I will not be able to participate. I don't happen to think that would be the case, but I will deal with it if it occurs for the long term health of the game.

I am not as up to snuff on some of the nuances, but I see no reason why the lotteries can't compete in the poker game along with the casinos...and I have not seen any evidence that they are being barred.

There will be a compromise. There's too much money on the table for there not to be.

Wow, I don't know how to respond to that without feeling like the Grinch stealing a kid's Christmas.

ScreaminAsian · 07-24-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by antneye

I live in NY and still support a federal framework even if on day 1 I will not be able to participate. I don't happen to think that would be the case, but I will deal with it if it occurs for the long term health of the game.

I am not as up to snuff on some of the nuances, but I see no reason why the lotteries can't compete in the poker game along with the casinos...and I have not seen any evidence that they are being barred.

There will be a compromise. There's too much money on the table for there not to be.

your naïveté is childlike and I'd rather talk down to you than address your concerns, kid.

tamiller866 · 07-24-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

your naïveté is childlike and I'd rather talk down to you than address your concerns, kid.

He doesn't have any concerns, everything will work out fine.

If it's not broke, don't fix it.

sba9630 · 07-24-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by antneye

I live in NY and still support a federal framework even if on day 1 I will not be able to participate. I don't happen to think that would be the case, but I will deal with it if it occurs for the long term health of the game.
...

+∞

Same for me, and I'm in Texas.

Governor Aqua Net, who was a leading contender for the Republican Presidential nomination before he made the mistake of actually campaigning, likely isn't going anywhere and likely won't approve poker for the lottery or anyone else (Unless of course, a friend and/or contributor wants a license). Even though he was for expanding gambling before he was against it.

Skallagrim · 07-24-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tamiller866

Wow, I don't know how to respond to that without feeling like the Grinch stealing a kid's Christmas.

Except that the Grinch was actually capable of inflicting the loss of Christmas on some children.

I think that is a big difference between you and the Grinch.

A better analogy would be between you and Dr. Suess.

Skallagrim

lrgatsby · 07-24-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sba9630

+∞

Same for me, and I'm in Texas.

Governor Aqua Net, who was a leading contender for the Republican Presidential nomination before he made the mistake of actually campaigning, likely isn't going anywhere and likely won't approve poker for the lottery or anyone else (Unless of course, a friend and/or contributor wants a license). Even though he was for expanding gambling before he was against it.

That's the best nickname for Perry I've ever heard, mate.
As a Texas resident I would say the rest of your post is pretty on the nose as well. God he's awful.

**TheEngineer** · 07-24-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tamiller866

The problem is that for someone like DE who lives in NY, the best opportunity for legal online poker would be for the lottery to run it, with the second best opportunity likely being for the Tribal casinos to run it, with perhaps some type of compromise available between those two options.

So much fear mongering.

People have been warning about the risks of winning since we started this. Sorry, but I'm looking forward to passing this and to moving onto lobbying the opt-out states hard to opt into this. I think that's the best bet, and it's not even close.

tamiller866 · 07-24-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEngineer

So much fear mongering.

People have been warning about the risks of winning since we started this. Sorry, but I'm looking forward to passing this and to moving onto lobbying the opt-out states hard to opt into this. I think that's the best bet, and it's not even close.

Godspeed.

tamiller866 · 07-24-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Skallagrim

Except that the Grinch was actually capable of inflicting the loss of Christmas on some children.

I think that is a big difference between you and the Grinch.

A better analogy would be between you and Dr. Suess.

Skallagrim

Dr Suess being the author of the story certainly had more influence over the ending than the character.

No, anteye's post made me realize I've just been an evil grinch, thinking I was doing some public service spreading the 'truth' about the Federal bill.

The truth is I'm not Dr Seuss, I don't know how the story will end, so it's wrong for me to tell people it's not going to end well.

tamiller866 · 07-25-2012, 05:11 AM

After the doom and gloom I've felt regarding the powerful lobbying interests having the final say over online poker, anteye's post reminded me of this famous quote:

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Enthusiasm is the greatest asset in the world. It beats money, power and influence.” ~Henry Chester

antneye · 07-25-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tamiller866

After the doom and gloom I've felt regarding the powerful lobbying interests having the final say over online poker, anteye's post reminded me of this famous quote:

Tamiller,

What makes you so certain that you are right and that the lobbyists who support our cause are wrong? I'm a big boy and can handle your cheap shots, but your doom and gloom is getting old. I have been here supporting the fight since the day we got Fristed (and TE can vouch for that). Why on earth would I go against this effort now that 6 years of hard work are starting to pay off?

tamiller866 · 07-25-2012, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by antneye

Tamiller,

What makes you so certain that you are right and that the lobbyists who support our cause are wrong? I'm a big boy and can handle your cheap shots, but your doom and gloom is getting old. I have been here supporting the fight since the day we got Fristed (and TE can vouch for that). Why on earth would I go against this effort now that 6 years of hard work are starting to pay off?

I don't think you should, in fact, your attitude has inspired me to change mine.

KingKongGrinder · 07-25-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by antneye

I live in NY and still support a federal framework even if on day 1 I will not be able to participate. I don't happen to think that would be the case, but I will deal with it if it occurs for the long term health of the game.

I'm also from NY and think the same way. I want federal legislation even though I have a bad feeling NY will be an opt-out state. I'm kind of hoping D'Amato has some pull in his home state.