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Old 05-06-2011, 10:14 AM   #16
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Re: ron paul2012

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Does it matter?

The reality is Ron Paul can't get things done in Congress. As President, he'd have more legal power but would still lack the skills needed to build concensus and pass pro-poker legislation.
This is wrong for a few reasons. First, just like Ron Paul was the "father" of the tea party movement and created new awareness on a variety of issues, through his candidacy, more focus will be placed on many of the issues we as poker players hold dear. When you explain to most people that you can no longer play internet poker in the United States their first reaction is, "why not, that's crazy?" Most people don't even know about black friday. By bringing light to this issue and many others such as the stupidity of the war on drugs, our financial policy, ect., ect., those ideas will become more popular and eventually espoused by others in Congress.

Second, the President has the ability to basically choose to not enforce certain laws. Obviously, he cannot tell the federal branch to ignore the law, however, executive departments such as the DoJ have limited resources. They have to decide how to use those limited resources. A President Paul could direct them to use them in ways that leave us poker players, recreational drug users, ect., out of the cross-hairs of the DoJ.

Third, the President has large control over the budget process. He can recommend how spending should be aportioned across the departments. This is a vasty underappreciated power that allows him to really decide which policies he believes to be important.

Fourth, many laws as they stand give the executive branch the ability to do certain things, but do not tell the executive branch they must do them. A President Paul could simply choose not to use a lot of the power that is given to him by the Congress. He could also bring all of the troops home and shut down all of the military bases which would save well over a trillion dollars. Things like this can be done without a single piece of legislation being passed in Congress.

Fifth, through an executive order he can decide that the UIGEA via the Wire Act does not apply to internet poker. As the head of the executive branch he has the ability to interpret the laws Congress passes. That would solve the issue over night. As the head of the executive branch the DoJ would have to stop all enforcement of these laws as they relate to internet poker. Of course, Congress could pass a more specific bill or it could be litigated in court, but who will be the one to litigate it? Who would have standing to contend that the Wire Act in fact applies to internet poker?

I could go on and on but don't underestimate what can be accomplished without Congress.
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:17 AM   #17
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Ron Paul is an idiot, even if he happens to be right on this issue. The dude doesn't believe in evolution, LOL.
He also believes gay marriage is immoral. Paul also abhores prostitution. HOWEVER, his point is that just as he would not want your point of view forced upon him, he too does not want to force his point of view on you. Freedom of religion, as he explained last night, does not just mean freedom of the catholic church religion. Who cares what personal opinions he has as long as they remain just that, personal opinions, and not legislated morality.
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Old 05-07-2011, 10:27 PM   #18
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I'm all for a president and congress who don't do anything.


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For those of you criticizing Ron Paul, please respond with a candidate for President who would unequivocally be good for poker...

At this juncture, Ron Paul is the only candidate that comes to mind...
Barney Fraaaaaaaank...If we can have a black president and nearly a female president, we can have a gay one.

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Ron Paul is an idiot, even if he happens to be right on this issue. The dude doesn't believe in evolution, LOL.
But see, the beauty of this is that he won't shove legislation down my throat forcing me to not believe in it too. You know, like the UIGEA was?
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Old 05-09-2011, 01:11 AM   #19
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Ron Paul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:36 AM   #20
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He would NEVER win!
If we don't support candidates because we think they can't win, we are pretty much left to wander down the same road.

We should stop thinking about what can't happen and work on making things happen.
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Old 05-09-2011, 04:27 PM   #21
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Although I (was) a pro player, I'm not willing to vote for someone purely on the grounds of my ability to play poker. For example, I don't agree with his stance on abortion and education.

I believe there needs to be a much broader consensus about how we choose our presidents. Like getting away from a first past the post, to a ranking system to get rid of "wasted votes."
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Old 05-10-2011, 12:26 PM   #22
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But see, the beauty of this is that he won't shove legislation down my throat forcing me to not believe in it too.
Yeah, he would just let the states force anything and everything down your throat.

Also, the inability to look at the facts of evolution and still deny it shows he is so succumbed by his biases that he will never change his opinion on anything, even if circumstances change.
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Old 05-10-2011, 05:04 PM   #23
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Yeah, he would just let the states force anything and everything down your throat.

Also, the inability to look at the facts of evolution and still deny it shows he is so succumbed by his biases that he will never change his opinion on anything, even if circumstances change.
Perhaps you're right. I don't know enough about RP to argue against this. But at the very worst, imo, he's the lesser of all the evils if you will.

If Ron Paul's an idiot, then the rest of the politicians are mildly retarded. I can only hope that people become pissed off at Obama like they did at Bush (which is why Obama got elected) and just vote RP out of sheer disgust over the last two presidencies.
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Old 05-10-2011, 10:57 PM   #24
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Yeah, he would just let the states force anything and everything down your throat.
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Yes, states could be just as socialist leaning - if not more so.

But - the states would be, in effect, competing against 49 other states. Think of it as a free market competition among states. States that offer the best policies will attract the most people. Socialist states won't last long. Lots of productive citizens would move to greener pastures, sotospeak.

Right now, there is no option - except to leave the country. At least with de-centralized control, there would be 50 options.
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Old 05-12-2011, 04:43 AM   #25
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gary johnson. look em up. he da best.
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Old 05-13-2011, 02:34 AM   #26
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There are too many dumb people in the US for Ron Paul to even have a chance. Besides, the election is fixed.
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