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Old 12-06-2010, 06:53 PM   #2101
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A very important point: the less clear legality is and the harder and more convoluted the financial transactions are, the less likely casual players are to play.
Which is why right now there are a lot of US pros subsisting on the money of casual players and wannabe pros from elsewhere. This bill would supposedly replace them with a pool of American casual players who would somehow mystically show up even though it's a year and a half farther from the poker boom and the ones who have been playing until now have been forced to find new hobbies. This strikes me as complete ******** supported by people with visions of 2004 dancing in their heads.

If the bill allowed everyone to play, I would feel somewhat better about it - though the blackout would kill American sites' competitiveness for foreign players anyway.

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Another point is with the status quo, there is little recourse for players in situations like skins taking the money and running (tusk, eurolinx, etc.) or protections from bots/colluders. Sure, PS and FTP are pretty solid and have done some work with the latter, but really, it is a buyer beware environment (which again just repels casual players.)
As opposed to corporate America? I see no reason to believe this will actually be any better, except people can waste a lot of money on legal fees suing bankrupt entities. Whee. Does it really make anything better if the founders of Eurolinx end up in receivership? Unsecured creditors still aren't ever getting their money back.

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And then there is the whole WA thing, and pending legislation in CA, NJ, and FL.
Which is written into the bill as optouts.

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But I think we are all (PPA somewhat aside) just spectators at this point; the timing is just so short. Sucks that there is a good chance we will loose the Jan FTP bonus if it goes through, but hey, we should have smooth final cash outs from the withdrawing sites.
Here you have a point.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:54 PM   #2102
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Re: Reid Pushing Plan to Legalize U.S. Online Gambling

cliffs on the past few hours?

Do we know if the online poker amendment is in or not?

When will we know?

No black out? or black out?

Should I go ahead and slowly start removing some /most of my roll?
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:54 PM   #2103
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Re: Reid Pushing Plan to Legalize U.S. Online Gambling

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Being completely honest, I would imagine the PPA guys will know very soon, if they don't already know.

But that doesn't mean they can say anything about it.
Oh, I figured it would be a little hush hush for awhile. Just wondering when a mere mortal like myself would be able to know.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:54 PM   #2104
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I hope so my son. So those of us who make all of our income off online poker are supposed to do what exactly for the next year?
I have no idea. I don't know what I'm going to do either.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:54 PM   #2105
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Re: Reid Pushing Plan to Legalize U.S. Online Gambling

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Maybe because tax evasion is a felony that is treated pretty harshly.
Yea...I was talking form a moral standpoint as someone who has always paid his taxes but doesn't feel like paying them when the government supposed to protect my rights is about to force me to get cheated, superused, and exploited on shady sites to work for the next 15 months.

Also, I really doubt that the few sites effectively signing a death sentence regarding ever getting licensed will be reporting directly what you're making.
Just saying...
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:55 PM   #2106
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cliffs on the past few hours?

Do we know if the online poker amendment is in or not?

When will we know?

No black out? or black out?
No.

Soon.

Blackout.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:55 PM   #2107
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Re: Reid Pushing Plan to Legalize U.S. Online Gambling

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I hope so my son. So those of us who make all of our income off online poker are supposed to do what exactly for the next year?
KEEP. PLAYING. ONLINE. POKERRRRRARRRRRRARRRRR............
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:55 PM   #2108
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Re: Reid Pushing Plan to Legalize U.S. Online Gambling

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Even if they dont have HHs or good multi tabling software or good rewards or good support? You can go play there. I'd rather play in slightly tougher games where I can 24 table on software I'm comfortable with and have a support thats been around for years and knows what the players want and need.
lol your whats wrong with the games dude/ gtfo and deal with it
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:55 PM   #2109
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Re: Reid Pushing Plan to Legalize U.S. Online Gambling

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Which is why right now there are a lot of US pros subsisting on the money of casual players and wannabe pros from elsewhere. This bill would supposedly replace them with a pool of American casual players who would somehow mystically show up even though it's a year and a half farther from the poker boom and the ones who have been playing until now have been forced to find new hobbies. This strikes me as complete ******** supported by people with visions of 2004 dancing in their heads.
This. The longer we have to wait the less likely we'll have another "boom" imo.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:55 PM   #2110
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I hope so my son. So those of us who make all of our income off online poker are supposed to do what exactly for the next year?
should have thought of this LONG before you became a professional poker player in the current climate of online poker. The uncertainty/overall decline of online poker led me to return to grad school this summer even though I was making bank.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:56 PM   #2111
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meaning before it gets to either the house or the senate right? Since once it gets sent to either, no amendments right?
If the house and senate bills are different it will have to be resolved in conference committee and it could be added then as well.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:56 PM   #2112
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I have no idea. I don't know what I'm going to do either.
Adapt. Will profitably go down? yes... will it go away? no.... The more your willing to switch things up and change the more you will be able to survive. There will be sites, there will be bad players, and there will be profit....
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:56 PM   #2113
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lol your whats wrong with the games dude/ gtfo and deal with it
I suppose you could make the argument that any winning professional beating the tougher games is whats "wrong" with the games. Although you're prob barking up the wrong tree...
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:57 PM   #2114
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should have thought of this LONG before you became a professional poker player in the current climate of online poker. The uncertainty/overall decline of online poker led me to return to grad school this summer even though I was making bank.
Luckily I'm still in school so not planning on burning all those bridges. I just might have to move and I like where I live. That is all.
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If the house and senate bills are different it will have to be resolved in conference committee and it could be added then as well.
but they won't be able to be different if there are "no amendments allowed"


Looks like our only hope is what Mpethy and ZBT are saying. It has to be attached before this bill goes into either legislative body
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