The PPA should not fight for licensing - Page 7 - Poker Legislation

TeflonDawg · 05-13-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleaner44

I must repeat what I think is a better solution than licensing and taxing:

4. Request that the Executive Branch back off until the Legislative Branch can clear up what is legal.

It is time to end the ambiguity.

I want the PPA to do this.

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Originally Posted by Cleaner44

Having the Federal government get out of the way of free people doing as they wish with their own money that they have already been taxed on is the right goal in my opinion.

I DO NOT want the PPA to do this. It would be a colossal waste of time. It's just not gonna happen.

sba9630 · 05-13-2011, 04:10 PM

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4. Request that the Executive Branch back off until the Legislative Branch can clear up what is legal.

It is time to end the ambiguity.

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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

I want the PPA to do this.

Do you mean Judicial Branch?

Skallagrim · 05-13-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleaner44

Skall... I get it, you think we live in a democracy. The fact is that we live in a Republic where the law is supposed to rule, not the will of the majority as you seem to believe.

Rather presumptuous to think I don't know the difference between a republic and a democracy.

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You clearly want to fight the easy battle of asking for more government, more taxes and more regulation.

OK, this is just laughable. "Easy battle"? Have you even been paying attention to this struggle?

As to the rest of your post, you clearly were not paying attention to what I said. I fight for freedom and people's rights every damn day, in area after area, most totally unrelated to poker. There is nothing I would like more than to see this country return to the principles of limited government and personal freedom (though with a social safety net, so I am not a 'pure' libertarian). But I am not going to say: "no poker until the country is fixed."

As TE said, you want us to sacrifice any real chance of getting back a real online poker game in order to hold out for libertarian purity.

I will make you a deal. You get the government to stop requiring people to have a license before they cut hair for a fee and pay taxes on that fee, and then I will demand that the government do the same for online poker.

Skallagrim

sheetsworld · 05-13-2011, 04:35 PM

Man...skall, I am really really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here because I know how under-appreciated you feel, but I swear each post is more defeatist and defensive than the next.

I mean, if everyone agreed with us, if we did vote the ideal people into office etc, then frankly we would NOT NEED YOU for god's sake. You guys exist because we need to sway public opinion, not because public opinion is already ON our side..

The tone of your posts is really that of a beaten man who has just been slapped around and has given up, and you are talking to YOUR PEOPLE. If anything you should be, in my opnion of course, MORE positive and MORE aggressive and MORE optimistic, rather than taking the stance of basically:

"sigh yeah that would be nice...not happening....woe is me.....sigh yeah that would be cool but ugh it is just so tough.....welcome to reality so glad you could make it.....sigggggggggh yeah we are basically screwed trying to fight big government....sigh......republicans hate us democrats hate us fml sigh"

Also from the tone in alot of ur possts It just seems like you are fighting with ur own people for some reason....

I dunno maybe I am just one of those morons who just doesn't understand....wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last.

sheetsworld · 05-13-2011, 04:44 PM

Ok every time I make one of those posts I feel terrible, as if I am completely talking out of my ass about a subject about which I know nothing.

Ok I will tell you what I will do.

I will cancel all plans for the day, clear my schedule, and get down to DC on May 24 for the fly in, if I can sit in on some meetings which some of the PPA advocates are having to support the cause. I think I will learn alot about what really goes on with the PPA and lobbying in general, and I can certainly report back to the community with a much better understanding of how tough the fight really is, and the effort which is being made on our behalf.

I do not want to just try to set up a meeting myself following the rules on the site just so I can get blown off as a regular citizen, but if I can sit in with one of the professional lobbyists at a real meeting I think I can be of help and I can learn quite alot as well.

Let me know.

(pm me etc)

Skallagrim · 05-13-2011, 04:46 PM

sheetsworld, cleaner44 is telling me I don't know what I am talking about, I am taking the easy way out, and that what I should be doing is going to Capitol Hill and demanding no less than that Congress pass legislation creating a free, unregulated and untaxed online poker market. If I get less than that I have taken the easy way out and am not living up to principle. And he is supposed to be on our side.

I respond to him, and you frown.

Rather than a frown, how about a hint? What would you say to cleaner44?

As it is, all you have done is once again add to my pile of evidence as to why I should just give up posting responses on 2+2.

Skallagrim

sheetsworld · 05-13-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Skallagrim

Rather than a frown, how about a hint? What would you say to cleaner44?

Skallagrim

Beats me! I don't have any idea what you are supposed to say. That is your job lol!

Skallagrim · 05-13-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sheetsworld

Beats me! I don't have any idea what you are supposed to say. That is your job lol!

The sad thing is, it is not a job. People get paid for jobs.

sheetsworld · 05-13-2011, 05:20 PM

I sent an email to the flyin email address.

RiverAnAce · 05-13-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sheetsworld

Man...skall, I am really really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here because I know how under-appreciated you feel, but I swear each post is more defeatist and defensive than the next.

I mean, if everyone agreed with us, if we did vote the ideal people into office etc, then frankly we would NOT NEED YOU for god's sake. You guys exist because we need to sway public opinion, not because public opinion is already ON our side..

The tone of your posts is really that of a beaten man who has just been slapped around and has given up, and you are talking to YOUR PEOPLE. If anything you should be, in my opnion of course, MORE positive and MORE aggressive and MORE optimistic, rather than taking the stance of basically:

"sigh yeah that would be nice...not happening....woe is me.....sigh yeah that would be cool but ugh it is just so tough.....welcome to reality so glad you could make it.....sigggggggggh yeah we are basically screwed trying to fight big government....sigh......republicans hate us democrats hate us fml sigh"

Also from the tone in alot of ur possts It just seems like you are fighting with ur own people for some reason....

I dunno maybe I am just one of those morons who just doesn't understand....wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last.

Hi Bax, this might help you see what some think of us and our poker sites.
The Poker community slept through many years of this war and woke up on black Friday.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ACthQzVa9w

Part 2 Poker sites and child porn at 3:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i17HO...eature=related

**TheEngineer** · 05-13-2011, 08:01 PM

Why not tell the Congressional committee in charge of this what you think? There at www.facebook.com/GOPFinancialServices.

sheetsworld · 05-13-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RiverAnAce

Hi Bax, this might help you see what some think of us and our poker sites.
The Poker community slept through many years of this war and woke up on black Friday.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ACthQzVa9w

Part 2 Poker sites and child porn at 3:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i17HO...eature=related

Thanks Stanley I will check it out.

LetsGambool · 05-13-2011, 08:27 PM

Did they disable the "like" feature, or am I just a facebook moron?

How completely f'd up do you have to be in 2011 to start a facebook poll like that and then think you can get away with just deleting results you don't like? Dont they have anyone with a background in social network 101 like anywhere on their staff?

TeflonDawg · 05-13-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sba9630

Do you mean Judicial Branch?

I took Executive Branch to mean the DOJ. Furthermore, I want the DOJ to pressure Congress to eliminate this cloud of ambiguity.

doctesseractyl · 05-13-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Skallagrim

sheetsworld, cleaner44 is telling me I don't know what I am talking about, I am taking the easy way out, and that what I should be doing is going to Capitol Hill and demanding no less than that Congress pass legislation creating a free, unregulated and untaxed online poker market. If I get less than that I have taken the easy way out and am not living up to principle. And he is supposed to be on our side.

I respond to him, and you frown.

Rather than a frown, how about a hint? What would you say to cleaner44?

As it is, all you have done is once again add to my pile of evidence as to why I should just give up posting responses on 2+2.

Skallagrim

Skall, I really interpret sheetsworld and cleaner44 as being collaborative with you, rather than critical. I mentioned in other threads how I could never be thick-skinned enough to put up with the ungratefulness from the people you're trying to help; but, obviously you do. Maybe 5 jumping jacks or whatever it takes to take the stress off your mind (after all, guys generally keep their cool better than women do) so just man up, ya know?

Secondly, never even think of giving up. If you "listen to evidence" about why something is too hard, too unlikely, or too -EV, then you don't have the right attitude. You are a very influential member of both the PPA and 2p2, and need to try being a "dreamer" for a day. Be a delusional, obsessively-motivated advocate, and you'll see what I mean. Be fueled by our collective passion and see if it feels better than "running on empty" and just try it. You'll be glad you did!