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Old 08-04-2012, 09:03 PM   #931
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Vernon Man Goes From College Dropout To Poker-Playing Millionaire
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"When he started I didn't want him doing it, said Fred Badecker, who works at Discover Re Insurance in Farmington. "Originally I was thinking it's gambling. Who wants their kid to be a gambler? Now I totally support him. He's an amazingly skilled player."

"In the beginning it was kind of frustrating," said Alice Badecker, a teacher at Jefferson School in New Britain. "I felt weird saying he's a poker player. People think poker and gambling has a negative connotation to them."
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Old 08-04-2012, 10:33 PM   #932
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TN article is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. I guess it's safe to say that will be an opt-out state.
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Old 08-05-2012, 12:03 AM   #933
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I get that, and I understand why the extreme right wing of the GOP opposes, but the extreme left wing of the Democratic party opposing gambling while supporting the privacy and individual rights of spotted owls and sea otters has me perplexed.
Those who oppose us on the left generally claim to feel losing players are being exploited and need to be protected. Check out UIGEA House Testimony: July 11, 2006 for lots of that.
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Old 08-05-2012, 12:26 AM   #934
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Those who oppose us on the left generally claim to feel losing players are being exploited and need to be protected. Check out UIGEA House Testimony: July 11, 2006 for lots of that.

Thanks, I get it now, it's not so much losers (we all lose eventually, ldo) as the 'childern' this crowd is concerned with, to paraphrase: "If this legislation could save just one child (21 year old college student) from becoming addicted and robbing a bank it would be worth sacrificing everyone's freedom."
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Old 08-05-2012, 12:29 AM   #935
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Maybe this is just me, and I can't quite put my finger exactly on why, but something about calling this an anti-poker editorial and the way the comments are playing out doesn't feel quite right to me. The article makes no mention of poker and doesn't allude to poker specifically at all.
I've been getting comments like this on my Facebook wall recently (though not about this article). Perhaps some of us are starting to believe the world -- including gaming opponents -- sees poker as distinct from gambling. Sorry, but we're not quite there yet. The author was clearly including poker in his diatribe. He didn't mention poker by name because he likely sees no distinction.

He says, "Far more ominously, there’s a move afoot in Congress to legalize Web betting across the country. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and other powerful lawmakers are pushing to repeal the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006." Aside from the LOL at calling Reid/Kyl a repeal of UIGEA, as the bill itself licenses just poker, it's fairly clear he's talking about poker.

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Furthermore, the article is explicitly concerned about the damage of compulsive gambling -- and the author even acknowledges that most gamblers do so in a healthy way, more than most authors would. The article is not giving a great context for arguments about how poker is different from casino games.
I think he's simply acknowledging the reality of where this debate has moved. While he isn't trying the dubious claims of Chad Hills, he draws the same conclusions....in his opinion it needs to be banned for all.

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Now, I don't doubt for a moment that, most likely, this author includes poker in their treatment of gambling with little or no distinction between any differences.
Lots of our opponents see no distinction.

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I get that we would want to make our voice heard here, regardless of direct intent. I just don't think there's necessarily an effective way to do that on an article that doesn't call out poker at all and has a context that doesn't fit our issue well enough.
The sole focus of the editorial is to encourage opposition to the Reid/Kyl poker licensing bill. That's some serious direct intent.

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I dunno, did anyone else feel this way too? I'd feel differently if the article referred to poker specifically at all. Given that it hasn't, I feel like rallying people to "blast the comment section" is a bit much and might not yield positive results.
I doubt many (or any) non-poker players read that article and deduced that poker was excluded.

I do appreciate your viewpoint here and thank you for asking me the question. I appreciate the opportunity to share with everyone my thoughts on this.

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Old 08-05-2012, 12:35 AM   #936
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Thanks, I get it now, it's not so much losers (we all lose eventually, ldo) as the 'childern' this crowd is concerned with, to paraphrase: "If this legislation could save just one child (21 year old college student) from becoming addicted and robbing a bank it would be worth sacrificing everyone's freedom."
That's sadly how some think. Sen. Feinstein, Sen. Boxer, and former Rep. Darlene Hooley are all prime examples of that minset.
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:38 AM   #937
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Good points, thanks for the detailed response. I'm not sure how I missed the author's mischaracterization of what the Reid/Kyl bill would do, but you're definitely right.
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:19 PM   #938
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:26 PM   #939
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Senator Wright amended his sports betting bill to specifically include the tribes.
It might be a carrot for the poker bill, it might be meaningless.

AMENDED IN SENATE MARCH 28, 2012 SENATE BILL No. 1390 [leginfo.ca.gov - pdf]


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Bill to allow California sports betting shelved by Assembly panel [sacbee.com]
The Assembly killed Senate Bill 1390 today, opting to shelve the bill in its Appropriations Committee.

Sen. Rod Wright, D-Inglewood, had proposed the measure to permit California casinos, race tracks and other gambling facilities to accept wagers on collegiate and professional sports events.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:42 AM   #940
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Zynga Puts Real Money Into Gambling Lobby
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On the federal level, Zynga reported in public documents spending some $75,000 during the quarter ended in June on lobbying efforts around issues including Internet gambling.

Zynga disclosed employing Washington-based Bay Bridge Strategies Inc. and Peck, Madigan, Jones & Stewart Inc. during the period, to monitor "legislation pertaining to regulation and taxation of Internet gambling" in the House and Senate.

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In California, Zynga hired Platinum Advisors to lobby during the quarter ended in June around a bill introduced in the state senate earlier this year that would establish licensing for online poker providers.

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The amount Zynga committed to second-quarter lobbying in California wasn't immediately clear, but was less than the $75,000 spent on the federal level, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The company's lobbying activity has remained roughly consistent in the current quarter, the person said.

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"Anything that can help their monetization on their platform has some sense of urgency," Mr. Sebastian said.

"International is clearly where there's a more ready market" for Zynga to offer real-money gambling, the analyst added, "but domestically it would be helpful for them if they did have an opportunity."
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:13 PM   #942
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"A PokerStars exec said the online poker site is highly credible and anticipates entering the U.S. market in a state-by-state or federal format in the future."

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Old 08-22-2012, 12:39 AM   #943
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Discussions Of California Internet Poker Legislation To Persist Postmortem
Bill To Die In Committee At End Of Month, But Efforts Are Far From Over
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:32 PM   #944
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The Chrisitan Science Monitor editorialized against the ruling: http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/...poker-gambling
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:40 PM   #945
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The Chrisitan Science Monitor editorialized against the ruling: http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/...poker-gambling
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Misdeal on Internet poker gambling

A federal court ruling that poker is mainly a game of skill and thus not gambling could steer Congress down the wrong path of approving Internet gaming.
The headline says it all.

This IS huge.
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