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04-20-2011, 06:54 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: My Dragons are Grown Bitch!
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Re: YAHOO Front Page
Pretty much all positive.
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04-20-2011, 06:56 PM
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#47
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Typo City
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Re: John Stossel nails ESPN, Alfonse D'Amato, gaming industry
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Originally Posted by oldbookguy
Good article, there is a comments section, lets own it.
We need to keep our views out there and own all the comments sections on these articles.
obg
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+1 lots of commetns all
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04-20-2011, 08:16 PM
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#48
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newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 30
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Re: John Stossel nails ESPN, Alfonse D'Amato, gaming industry
ESPN accepted millions of money for ads from pokersites. Yup, they were in bed with them. No other type of show was shown for so many replays, dozens of times, till it was obvious they were like.... we dont care if no one is watching, if they want to pay millions for the ads we'll just keep showing the same shows and taking the money. I guess World's Strongest Man was a very distant second for replays, but that seems like more of a pseudo-sports event than seeing the same hour of poker 20 times.
Also the ads would have disclaimers saying it is a .net for play money, but how can a for play money site exist and pay enormous advertising fees without receiving money from the real money site? I know they ran a legal merry go round but pro poker players accepted endorsement money from .net sites when they knew the money was coming from the real money sites for years..... ugh I just wish i could play poker online...
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04-20-2011, 09:10 PM
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#49
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Better than breakeven
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Re: John Stossel nails ESPN, Alfonse D'Amato, gaming industry
Need more articles like this imo and +10000000 to owning the comments sections of all online articles/debates.
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04-20-2011, 09:42 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 9,870
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Re: John Stossel nails ESPN, Alfonse D'Amato, gaming industry
its ironic but i think we can expect more support from fox heavy weights
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04-20-2011, 09:50 PM
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#51
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Slow and steady
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Re: John Stossel nails ESPN, Alfonse D'Amato, gaming industry
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Originally Posted by AAlohaknow
Also the ads would have disclaimers saying it is a .net for play money, but how can a for play money site exist and pay enormous advertising fees without receiving money from the real money site? I know they ran a legal merry go round but pro poker players accepted endorsement money from .net sites when they knew the money was coming from the real money sites for years..... ugh I just wish i could play poker online...
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Didn't the .net site let you download the standard software with both play and real money games? It doesn't seem to anymore, but I'm pretty sure that's how it used to be.
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04-20-2011, 09:57 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Austin
Posts: 775
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Re: John Stossel nails ESPN, Alfonse D'Amato, gaming industry
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Originally Posted by swingdoc
Didn't the .net site let you download the standard software with both play and real money games? It doesn't seem to anymore, but I'm pretty sure that's how it used to be.
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I know for sure that Stars .net client and .com clients were different. I downloaded the .net client on accident once like 4-5 months ago and it freaked me out at first.
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04-20-2011, 10:27 PM
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#53
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centurion
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 154
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Re: John Stossel nails ESPN, Alfonse D'Amato, gaming industry
If not mistaken because it happen to me once, .Net is for freeplay only there is no cashier button on this software. I downloaded it once quickly without noticing I got redirected after a system refresh after install and running the program I was like where the hell did the cashier button go lol emailed stars and they told me I DL'ed the wrong one.
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04-20-2011, 10:35 PM
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#54
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newbie
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Near Philly. GO PHILLS! Go Flyers!
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Re: Glenn Greenwald / Salon: Priorities in the Land of the Free
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Originally Posted by gobble gobble;
Good article. Republicans are the bad guys. Going forward, if poker is one your key issues, don't donate to republican PACs.
The Hill has another article about these great social conservatives:
There would be a transaction record in the case of a regulated industry. Plus, most semi-competent poker players can spot when someone is chip-dumping, although HU is a bit tougher. I imagine there is software that can be made available that will raise red flags if someone appears to be chip-dumping HU.
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Like I said, don't support lobbyists or PACs, do your own lobbying. Emails, letters, phone calls, and visits by citizens has more of an impact that PACs and lobbyists (unless those lobbies and PACs give significant amounts of money to the politician.) hundreds of people visiting, calling, and filling your mailbox is real pressure to anyone, no matter what side of the isle they are on.
Plus, blaming one side or the other is idiotic when you see where it stemmed from, and I think it stemmed from Jack Abramoff and Ralph Reed back in the 80's and 90's and into the early 2000's. They started rolling a ball that never stopped. It was their money that bought the support for the legislation and enforcement we are now facing. And MGM and the Nevada Gaming Control Board were the original "bad guys" that helped them start this. The reps got played, the dems got played, the govt got played, the site got played, and now, so did we.
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04-21-2011, 08:47 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,774
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Re: John Stossel nails ESPN, Alfonse D'Amato, gaming industry
Why aren't there 1,000s of positive comments about this article? Takes literally 30 seconds and you can basically do it anonymously.
Come on fellas this guy used his platform to support us. We should acknowledge and represent a little better.
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04-21-2011, 12:12 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Losing my stack to better players
Posts: 6,637
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Re: John Stossel nails ESPN, Alfonse D'Amato, gaming industry
Kevstreet do me a favor and go post that exact thing in the thread I started in NVG about it. Too much asstardery and not enough action going on over there.
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04-21-2011, 02:29 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 30
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Re: John Stossel nails ESPN, Alfonse D'Amato, gaming industry
UH YEAH I know that .net sites are different than .com sites and that they exist.... my point was the cost of running the site and advertising was obviously paid for by the real money sites which makes them moneytrail entities of the real money sites.
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04-21-2011, 03:41 PM
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#58
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: seattle
Posts: 246
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Jacob Sullum editorial
At Reason.com: Why should anyone go to prison for helping people play cards?
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Bharara takes an alleged New York misdemeanor with a maximum penalty of one year in jail and turns it into multiple federal felonies—including UIGEA violations, money laundering, wire fraud, and bank fraud—that could send the lead defendant, PokerStars CEO Isai Scheinberg, to prison for 65 years, assuming that Scheinberg is foolish enough to set foot in the U.S. and hardy enough to reach the age of 129. Based on the same allegations, Bharara is also seeking billions of dollars in asset forfeitures.
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04-21-2011, 04:20 PM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 2,945
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Re: Jacob Sullum editorial
Very good article, now lets OWN that comment thread as well.
We HAVE to keep our view out there and keep the fight going, we are only in the early part of Round one!
obg
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04-21-2011, 04:26 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 553
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Re: Jacob Sullum editorial
commented and liked.
very good article. let's keep up the full court press.
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