***Official PL article thread***

[kwansolo]

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...ies/index.html

[Skallagrim]

This is one great article on several levels, not just poker.

Skallagrim

[newschool2]

Yup, Im spamming it now.

[TomVeil]

Your pony would be slow if posted in the right thread

[umainefan]

Great article. Thank you for linking it.

Activities undertaken by consenting adults, in the privacy of their own homes are none of some crusader's damn business. Further, it makes me angry that this is how they choose to spend my tax dollars.

I love how we have spent TRILLIONS of dollars to bring "freedom" to other countries, while our own freedoms are under attack daily by those same banner waving polititions.

[gobble gobble]

Good article. Republicans are the bad guys. Going forward, if poker is one your key issues, don't donate to republican PACs.

The Hill has another article about these great social conservatives:

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...t-gambling-ban

Opponents of Frank's bill say the sites serve as hubs for money laundering for drug traffickers and terrorists. Software engineer Jim Thackston, of Sun Coast Data Solutions, recently wrote to lawmakers expressing his concerns that online poker sites can be used by terrorists to launder funds.

"My concern is that HR 1174, the Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act, is effectively an open invitation for the 'Bank of Al Qaeda,'" Thackston wrote.

"As HR 1174 moves through the legislative process, every member of Congress should be made aware of the undetectable nature of this threat," he said.

Thackston said he met with officials from the Department of Homeland Security and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement last month to demonstrate how two parties could transfer large amounts of money across virtual poker tables without leaving any transaction records.

There would be a transaction record in the case of a regulated industry. Plus, most semi-competent poker players can spot when someone is chip-dumping, although HU is a bit tougher. I imagine there is software that can be made available that will raise red flags if someone appears to be chip-dumping HU.

[TejasHoldem]

Originally Posted by Lottery Larry

The Mormons have a state lottery?

checking....

I don't see anything on gambling being legal in Utah... did I not look hard enough?

Utah and Hawaii don't have any form of conventional gambling -- as long as you don't count real estate speculation or the stock market.

[Rich SDCA]

Bravo!

"Hypocricy, Doubled Down!"

[V0dkanockers]

Originally Posted by threebanger

Best comment under the article?

"CASH PAYOUTS: problem solved?! ???

Say Pokerstars had a cash window (like a racetrack) in England where you could travel to to pick up your payouts. Sounds perfectly legal for you to pick up your own payout outside the US. Matter of fact you could pick up a Pokerstars money order in England and cash it in in the English bank it was drawn or check cashing store (if they have such) -- and reconvert the cash into a money order to send to yourself in the US. No foreign bank account needed -- just you in person. No gambling enterprise would be sending a financial instrument to a US bank -- that is all the law prohibits AFAIK.

NEXT STEP: Say a player's personal rep goes and does the same thing for him: same legal payout process. Or, suppose, instead, some smart cookie opens a business in the US where they charge players (plural) a fee to travel to Pokerstars cash payougt window in England -- or just as legally open the same business in England to act as player pickup rep -- to pick up our winnings in cash for us -- not working for Pokerstars; working for us -- and then send checks or money orders to us in the US. No gambling enterprise would be sending a financial instrument to a US bank -- that is all the law prohibits AFAIK.

NEXT STEP: Say Pokerstars sends cash to US players. When I worked as a truckers helper for a Wall Street Bank in the early 1970s we took tons of mail to the Post Office some of which was registered mail containing cash going to South America. I was told that Registered mail must to be signed for by every person whose hands it passes through all the way to the recipient. Pokerstars could send small to medium payouts by registered mail right now. Really large deliveries could be done by armed insured messenger (you might want to make an appointment to meet the messenger in a bank). No gambling enterprise would be sending a financial instrument to a US bank -- that is all the law prohibits AFAIK."

Where they sending money back to the cartels from all the blow proceeds? I am pretty sure there are laws today to stop this. I am also pretty sure cash is a financial instrument so this would never work..

Good article though. At least they got one guy from the mortgage mess:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...47b47863c6.1b1

One down thousands more to go.... (in my most sarcastic voice possible)

[oldbookguy]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110420/..._poker_fallout

OK, lets own this one folks.

obg

[DrewOnTilt]

X-posted in NVG, where it seems to be getting some intelligent responses (gasp)

http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2011/04/20/5384/

He seems to also be criticizing the PPA, though he doesn't mention it by name.

It's funny - I didn't think much of ESPN's decision to drop much of its poker content, given that they are still going to cover the WSOP, and they are still giving Gary Wise and Andrew Feldman a platform. Having read this, though, I am thinking about that anew. They have made a ton of money from poker content over the years, and that can be directly attributed to Stars and FTP.

[oldbookguy]

Good article, there is a comments section, lets own it.

We need to keep our views out there and own all the comments sections on these articles.

obg

[will1530]

Originally Posted by DrewOnTilt

X-posted in NVG, where it seems to be getting some intelligent responses (gasp)

http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2011/04/20/5384/

He seems to also be criticizing the PPA, though he doesn't mention it by name.

It's funny - I didn't think much of ESPN's decision to drop much of its poker content, given that they are still going to cover the WSOP, and they are still giving Gary Wise and Andrew Feldman a platform. Having read this, though, I am thinking about that anew. They have made a ton of money from poker content over the years, and that can be directly attributed to Stars and FTP.

Tilt and Stars were the major advertisers for poker programming. I think ESPN's decision has to do with loss of revenue more than anything

[DeadMoneyDad]

Originally Posted by gobble gobble

Good article. Republicans are the bad guys. Going forward, if poker is one your key issues, don't donate to republican PACs.

That is why thanks to Dem controlled House and Senate and no nasty Rep Presidential veto to worry about we have fully legal regulated poker today!

[Fermion5]

Stossel nails everything. He's the man.

Small point... Stossel probably thinks D'Amato is a lobbyist for the casino companies, not the PPA. They both have a similar message of regulating and taxing, which is what Stossel is against.