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Old 10-28-2011, 06:25 AM   #316
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:52 PM   #317
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I can't seem to get the full page to display due to a cookie issue on multiple browsers. Never had this issue before and can't find a fix...bleh

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Old 10-31-2011, 01:42 AM   #318
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Kahnawake Gaming Commission Announces Apparent Dissolution Of CEREUS Network

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Old 10-31-2011, 07:13 AM   #319
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Kahnawake Gaming Commission Announces Apparent Dissolution Of CEREUS Network

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It also would unfortunately end the operations of one of the stalwarts of the online poker industry.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:30 AM   #320
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Forbe's article about billionaires betting on online gambling
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:50 PM   #321
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It also would unfortunately end the operations of one of the stalwarts of the online poker industry.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."


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Old 11-01-2011, 06:43 AM   #322
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Another Calvin Ayre article out that talks about AGA and their thoughts on legislation especially in light of the recent hearing. They also apparently paraphrased Fahrenkopf as supporting "state licensing and regulation following federal guidelines on internet poker as it is 'substantially different than other forms of gaming' and is hoping to get the federal bill passed by early 2013."

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Old 11-01-2011, 04:40 PM   #323
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From that GamingLawyer guy:

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Trum...1/01/id/416435

Makes your hair stand the way the article is written. At first I was excited about the good exposure, but by the end was pissed at all this misleading info about the lotteries etc.
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Old 11-01-2011, 05:02 PM   #324
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Yea I haven't seen a specific quote from Trump regarding the BArton bill. I'm wondering if these article writers are speculating that he's behind it. I think he's just behind ipoker in general and not a specific bill yet.
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Old 11-01-2011, 05:24 PM   #325
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I can't imagine trump would waste money lobbying for the industry to open when he doesn't even have a plan except to plaster his brand name on the highest bidder's discount software.
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:10 PM   #326
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Nevada Gaming Control Board holds hearing for amended online poker regulations

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One of the proposals currently states that a licensed operator may not allow player-to-player transfers — a practice that has historically been a common method to facilitate staking deals between players — within an online poker site.

Board Chairman Mark A. Lipparelli said he doesn’t want online gaming sites to serve as “shadow banking.” The general concern expressed was that player accounts could circumvent financial institutions.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:14 PM   #327
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yeah that sucks - was on here discussed ~a month ago..
most likely they're gonna ban 'em..
probably best to set up a paypal acct. - it's free for ppl transferring in the US to each other.. internationally it's not free.
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Old 11-05-2011, 01:43 AM   #328
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:55 PM   #329
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Posted this a couple weeks ago. This is what the defense thinks.

http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters...bling_statute/

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Elie's lawyers also tried to poke holes in the bank fraud charge. They argued that prosecutors failed to allege that Elie or any other defendants intended to cause any harm to the banks. According to Mallon & McCool, that's a fatal omission. "The facts alleged in the Indictment suggest that the defendants intended that banks would profit from processing merchant transactions," they wrote.
Elie's lawyers say that they have case law from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit on their side. In one case from 1998, United States v. Rodriguez, the Second Circuit reversed the bank fraud conviction of a defendant who deposited checks obtained through fraud into her bank account. The lawyers said the court reversed because it found no evidence the defendant intended to harm the bank.
"Under well-established Second Circuit precedent, an indictment must allege more than that a bank was deceived into entering into a transaction it would otherwise not have entered into," they wrote.
Another fraud defense opinion

http://www.relentlessdefense.com/our...ffice-on-tilt/

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The U.S. Attorney’s Office has also charged with the defendants with multiple counts of wire fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §1343, for deceiving “financial institutions . . . into processing and authorizing payments to and from the Poker Companies and the United States gamblers by disguising the transactions to create the false appearance that they were unrelated to gambling. . . .” During its investigation into Full Tilt, etc., the U.S. Attorney’s Office amassed evidence that, following the passage of the UIGEA, these poker sites disguised transactions between them and the players as internet purchases of watches, bicycles, golf clubs, etc., from phony internet merchants to dupe U.S. banks into processing their “gambling” transactions. Though camouflaging transactions may be a bit shady, it does not violate §1343.
To support a conviction for wire fraud, the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt: (1) the defendant's knowing and willing participation in a scheme to defraud the victim of money or property, and (2) the use of interstate wire communications in furtherance of the scheme. According to the Supreme Court in Cleveland v. United States, 531 U.S. 12 (2000), an actual monetary loss represents a threshold consideration in determining whether an individual or entity defrauded, or attempted to defraud, a victim. In short, the U.S. Attorney’s Office is obligated to demonstrate that the poker sites not only intended to dupe the financial institutions but deprive them of property – or more plainly, money.
While the poker sites may have hoodwinked financial institutions into processing transactions they might have otherwise rejected, the U.S. Attorney’s Office has offered no evidence that they intended to defraud, or did defraud, these institutions of any money. On the contrary, these financial institutions collected millions of dollars in processing fees from the defendants. In its drive to maim and banish these three online poker sites, the U.S. Attorney's Office is casting enriched bankers as the “victims.” If these indictments survive a motion to dismiss, what jury will swallow the U.S. Attorney’s Office's half-baked theory that the defendants set out to monetarily cheat these financial institutions?
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:39 PM   #330
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http://www.lvrj.com/business/big-pus...133317983.html
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Big gaming is firmly committed to seeing Congress pass an Internet poker bill that would legalize the activity, provide a strict regulatory system and a framework for taxing revenues.

That's partly what last week's pairing of MGM Resorts International and Boyd Gaming Corp., with Bwin.party, a European online gaming giant, was meant to convey.

A target audience for the MGM Resorts-Boyd announcement was influential lawmakers in Washington, D.C.

Conceivably, MGM and Boyd -- individually -- could operate multiple Internet poker websites under their various casino brands using Bwin.party's technology and online gaming platforms. Together, the three companies plan to launch a U.S. version of Bwin.party's PartyPoker, one of the world's largest online poker networks.

But without Congress approving a bill to legalize Internet poker, the agreements aren't worth much more than the paper they're printed on.
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