NJ online poker legislation (passed)

[permafrost]

Originally Posted by DeathAndTaxes

Medical marijuana has been legal in CA for 10 years. Still nothing at federal level.

Entirely possible (not probable but certainly possible) that no federal legislation happens for ipoker for a very very very long time.

If players in NJ or CA have a shot at online poker at state level and want to support it I won't stand in their way. Me... I live in VA we are never passing online poker legislation here so federal is my only shot.

Why do you think VA is never going to legalize online poker on their own? What are some of the reasons for their stance? What is in a fed bill that changes the state's thinking and gives you a shot at VA legalizing?

[ScreaminAsian]

Originally Posted by raradevils

Sure because right now the current administaration has not proposed a budget for the current fiscal year. How is that working?

i meant they don't need to have a balanced budget. there's no incentive to balance it because the united states has A+#1 credit because it's the best country in the world because it's filled with americans. it's working as fine as it has been since Reagan.

[sluggger5x]

Originally Posted by novahunterpa

Hopefully NJ can get something going. NJ will not be able to pass an online poker/gambling bill until the the question is voted on by the voters.

People in states like NJ need to organize themselves to to push their state to pass poker legislation. Forget the PPA or FairPlayUSA they want federal legislation, these groups are useful and have their place but do not and will not always act in the best interest of the player.

Players need to push for intrastate bills while also supporting federal legislation.

Where the hell is Michael from New Jersey? We need him to lead NJ poker players to the promised land!

[midas]

As a resident of NJ, NJ is the perfect state to be the first to legalize online poker for the following reasons:

-Decent population 8.8 million
-Consistent budget issues
-Mature and legal casino industry with increased competition from PA, DE and MD soon
-Legal online horse betting
-Thriving lottery - you can play Megamillions and Powerball

I think in order to pass quicker in NJ, Ipoker has to be separated from Igambling. I don't think the NJ voters want 19 yr olds playing internet slots or internet table games against the house. Ipoker should distance itself from the other Igambling games.

[TheDarkElf]

Originally Posted by midas

As a resident of NJ, NJ is the perfect state to be the first to legalize online poker for the following reasons:

-Decent population 8.8 million
-Consistent budget issues
-Mature and legal casino industry with increased competition from PA, DE and MD soon
-Legal online horse betting
-Thriving lottery - you can play Megamillions and Powerball

I think in order to pass quicker in NJ, Ipoker has to be separated from Igambling. I don't think the NJ voters want 19 yr olds playing internet slots or internet table games against the house. Ipoker should distance itself from the other Igambling games.

I wish it were separated, but this is not realistic. Also forget about the age thing - its got to be 21+, otherwise, it will never be passed.

[raradevils]

Originally Posted by TheDarkElf

I wish it were separated, but this is not realistic. Also forget about the age thing - its got to be 21+, otherwise, it will never be passed.

That was the age restriction in the first bill Christie vetoed. I don't see them adjusting that.

[MrAce777]

Will there be a question on this year's ballot concerning internet gambling and poker in NJ pending what state lawmakers do to impress Christie?

[raradevils]

Originally Posted by MrAce777

Will there be a question on this year's ballot concerning internet gambling and poker in NJ pending what state lawmakers do to impress Christie?

No, they are pushing to change the law that was pass/vetoed last spring by Christie.

There is suppose to be a referendom on sports betting this fall.

[tangled]

Originally Posted by raradevils

No, they are pushing to change the law that was pass/vetoed last spring by Christie.

There is suppose to be a referendom on sports betting this fall.

Any insight or polls as to whether the SB initiative will pass?

[TheDarkElf]

Originally Posted by raradevils

No, they are pushing to change the law that was pass/vetoed last spring by Christie.

There is suppose to be a referendom on sports betting this fall.

But there is a federal law stopping states from passing new laws permitting sports betting (thanks to the efforts of NFL/NCAA). Are they really planning on fighting the feds on this one?

[raradevils]

Originally Posted by TheDarkElf

But there is a federal law stopping states from passing new laws permitting sports betting (thanks to the efforts of NFL/NCAA). Are they really planning on fighting the feds on this one?

That is true, however, there are serveral states that already have legalized sports betting as authorized by the federal govenment. They are going to challenge that the federal govenement can't allow some state to offer it while also denying others.

[TheDarkElf]

Originally Posted by raradevils

That is true, however, there are serveral states that already have legalized sports betting as authorized by the federal govenment. They are going to challenge that the federal govenement can't allow some state to offer it while also denying others.

The four states that permit it already had their laws on the books when the feds passed their law (1992, give or take a year); the fed law forbid the passage of new laws that permit sports betting.

I guess it can be challenged, but I don't see Christie going for this.

[raradevils]

Originally Posted by TheDarkElf

The four states that permit it already had their laws on the books when the feds passed their law (1992, give or take a year); the fed law forbid the passage of new laws that permit sports betting.

I guess it can be challenged, but I don't see Christie going for this.

I understand, I don't think it's Christie that is going to be pushing this is the reforendum were to pass.

Who knows if there isn't some type of backroom wink, nod that they push this referendum. Then get enough votes to override christies veto of the igaming regs? One can only hope, either way it looks like this issue (igaming) is going to be on the fall calendar per the article, this can only be a good thing.

[tangled]

Originally Posted by TheDarkElf

The four states that permit it already had their laws on the books when the feds passed their law (1992, give or take a year); the fed law forbid the passage of new laws that permit sports betting.

So? Still, one state is not allowed something allowed to another state. And the reason? Because one law is old, and the other, new? How is that a good reason ? What if Congress nullified state laws with more than 20 “ands” in the texts?

The Fed, it seems to me, has to show more than chronology as a reason to stop one state’s law over another’s. I am sure the Feds can argue good reasons for stopping SB, but not in one state while allowing it in another. If SB is so bad, just prohibit it altogether. Congress knows that won’t happen, but lack of political will should not be used as a reason to favor one state over the other.

I am just ranting. I am sure you are right, that the NJ law won’t fly. But not because there is a good reason to stop it, but because SCOTUS twists itself into nonsensical contortions to do the boss government’s bidding.

[novahunterpa]

The reason SB needs a referendum is the same reason online poker will need to be put to a referendum.....The NJ Constitution

NJ doesn't want to spend the time and money fight the DOJ over SB without first getting approval from the voters. IF the voters back the idea the legislature and the governor will fight the DOJ in court to make SB a reality in NJ.

Likewise, a NJ poker bill will not be signed into law with changes to the NJ Constitution. This was the main problem with Lesniak's online gambling bill and why the governor vetoed it.

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/o...237d64fe4.html

And that's our problem with state Sen. Raymond Lesniak's continuing attempts to legalize intrastate online gambling in New Jersey.

In March, Gov. Chris Christie vetoed a Lesniak bill that would have allowed online gaming in New Jersey. The governor said that even though the bill required that the servers running the online gaming be housed in Atlantic City and be operated by gaming companies already licensed in New Jersey, the measure essentially extended legal gambling to the entire state - which would violate the state constitution.