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Old 09-27-2007, 11:07 AM   #1
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NASCAR Legal Loophole?

vlpclub.net

No playing for cash. But costs to join to play for promo trash.

"Come play with NASCAR Stars"????

Isn't this group profiting for the act of wagering?


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Old 09-27-2007, 11:13 AM   #2
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Similar to the poker site, clububt.com

19.95 month, no cash wagering, you get 100 'points' per day to play with + those won, and you can win cash and or pizes.

BTW, clububt is a skin of Ulitimate Bet / Absolute but headquartered in the U.S.

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Old 09-27-2007, 11:16 AM   #3
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As a side note, it is sites like these that are making any potential regs so difficult if not impossible to write.

Then there are the other 'legal' wagering sites, I.E. www.worldwinner.com, located in Newton, Mass. and owned by a large U.S. media company.

Ah, so much gambling is legal, determing the illegal is, well, nutty to even try to determine.

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Old 09-27-2007, 11:26 AM   #4
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As a side note, it is sites like these that are making any potential regs so difficult if not impossible to write.

Then there are the other 'legal' wagering sites, I.E. www.worldwinner.com, located in Newton, Mass. and owned by a large U.S. media company.

Ah, so much gambling is legal, determing the illegal is, well, nutty to even try to determine.

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We're screwed "nutty" is what they do well inside the beltway!!!

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Old 09-27-2007, 04:23 PM   #5
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Exactly D$D, this is what Skall ghas refered too concerning my position and the one I believe poker should be after, place Poker with these games 9if you looked) and you really should, amazing what games are already legal.

And with these games the tax issues, age verification, ect. are all taken care of.

WW, and it's affiliates YAHOO, MSN, and AOL seem to have no trouble and these games via the mentioned affiliates are marketed on the same page where children play their games.

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Old 09-27-2007, 10:50 PM   #6
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"Beat the Streak"

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MLB.com Beat the Streak is a skill contest designed to increase consumer awareness of and interest in Major League Baseball and MLB.com, the Official Site of Major League Baseball. This Contest may not be used for any form of gambling.

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OK, now we need a two pronged attack.

First, someone with bucks who hopes to cash in on fully legal US poker establishes a site. This site is designed to increase consumer awareness of and interest in poker, the skill game, and PTSG.com

The site is free to join and there is no rake. There is advertising, just like www.padres.com a site of MLB.com.

The site is free to advertise itself just like MLB.com

If a nice crisp well done poker site similar to MLB.com is established and advertised, the poker players of the US will flock to it.

Any legal challange will necessarily involve MLB.com and a host of similar sites.

Since the DOJ is NOT about to take on MLB, Yahoo, and Microsoft, there should be smooth sailing for the "poker is skill" site.

After a period of time, poker will have been established as a skill game.

Then, the established site says, "we need more income to keep the site running." The site establishes a modest Fee, (rake). The government says, "whoa" that makes you a gambling site."

The site says, "pack it in your a$$, the mere presence of a fee doesn't render the game any less a skill game. The "house" is not in competition with the players, we just need to pay for the electricity."

And, we all play poker happily ever after.



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And, we all play poker happily ever after.

Yes, but can we 12 table and use our HUDs?
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And, we all play poker happily ever after.

Yes, but can we 12 table and use our HUDs?
We are trying to establish poker as a skill game.



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Old 09-28-2007, 08:48 PM   #9
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That is the position we can hopefully win (placing poker with Solitaire, Bridge, Spades and other SKILL games) and another (let us not forget Chuck Humphries) and the 'contests' description the judge detailed out in the 2006 (just decided this summer, 2007) Fantasy Betting Case.

Poker SNG'S & Tourney's fit well here too.

We have a wide range of options to fight with.

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Old 09-28-2007, 10:05 PM   #10
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As I see it, we have three avenues to pursue in our efforts to have unhampered, advertised, fundable online poker.

Avenue 1: Our various legalization efforts, lobbying, writing congress, etc.

Avenue 2: The WTO effort. Having either the WTO force the US's hand, or having big companies force the congress's hand to protect their own hides.

Avenue 3: Legal challange and winning a decision that poker is a skill game same as ..... whatever. We need to enlist the promoters of ".... whatever" to help us out on avenue 1 so as to not have themselves get caught up in a legal battle involving their sites being dragged into a case as EXHIBIT ONE.

Full speed ahead on all three fronts.

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