"Holy Rollers" documentary, advantage play vs. religion

[JSTAT]

Here is Bishop Arnold Snyder, leader of the First Church of Blackjack, giving a sermon on blackjack advantage play from the pulpit. Using religion with card counting was done in the 80's by Snyder. It was all in good fun. Sort of cheesy using Christianity to make money selling blackjack courses and a documentary from Holy Rollers.

Blackjack Forum's Arnold Snyder card counting sermon

[Doc T River]

Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

Chad Hills likes to manipulate words and information to suit his arguments and it's massively hypocritical, disingenuous, and sometimes flat out lying. An article like this just exposes his hypocrisy further and in more ways than one, and should be kept in mind the next time he wants to make **** up in order to serve the FoF's agenda.

This article doesn't expose Hills hypocrisy further because he hasn't said that playing blackjack is okay. Neither has anyone at FoF or CitizenLink. And no one at those groups played on one of the teams as far as we know.

Hills needs to be taken to task for his tactics, but shouldn't be accused of something he isn't guilty of. To do so, weakens our side.

[TeflonDawg]

I had this long-winded response typed out but I'm just not in the mood to discuss someone who disgusts me as much as Chad Hills. All I'm saying is whenever he opens his mouth somebody should stuff it with this article and all the others out there that demonstrate he is completely full of ****.

[Doc T River]

Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

I had this long-winded response typed out but I'm just not in the mood to discuss someone who disgusts me as much as Chad Hills. All I'm saying is whenever he opens his mouth somebody should stuff it with this article and all the others out there that demonstrate he is completely full of ****.

How does an article, which Hills has no connection to other than a shared religion, show he's full of ****? That's like saying the KKK shows all white people, even those not members, are full of ****.

[zerosum79]

Certain religious people love to exclude people from their religion in an attempt to feel special. "My religion is better than your religion etc."

This group of "religious" card counters is certainly not accepted by their community. The article even points to this.

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[TeflonDawg]

Originally Posted by Doc T River

How does an article, which Hills has no connection to other than a shared religion, show he's full of ****? That's like saying the KKK shows all white people, even those not members, are full of ****.

The article is direct contradiction to what Chad Hills likes to imply about poker players. Not only is it disingenuous to immediately call poker players gamblers and note nothing else in that statement, it becomes a flat out lie when on top of that he states that playing poker is a complete waste of time, money, and life itself.

Poker has far more skill involved than blackjack, and blackjack effectively becomes a -EV game like the rest if you take into account a casino can cut you off at will. Yet these kids somehow didn't waste their time, money, or lives. Curiously they actually did quite the opposite. If anyone lives on planet joker, it's Chad Hills.

The fact that they are religious like him and FoF is icing on the cake for obvious reasons.

[zerosum79]

Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

The article is direct contradiction to what Chad Hills likes to imply about poker players. Not only is it disingenuous to immediately call poker players gamblers and note nothing else in that statement, it becomes a flat out lie when on top of that he states that playing poker is a complete waste of time, money, and life itself.

Poker has far more skill involved than blackjack, and blackjack effectively becomes a -EV game like the rest if you take into account a casino can cut you off at will. Yet these kids somehow didn't waste their time, money, or lives. Curiously they actually did quite the opposite. If anyone lives on planet joker, it's Chad Hills.

The fact that they are religious like him and FoF is icing on the cake for obvious reasons.

Maybe I missed something but can someone please point me to where Chad Hills says that the Holy Rollers are not gambling or what they did is ok?

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[Doc T River]

Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

The article is direct contradiction to what Chad Hills likes to imply about poker players. Not only is it disingenuous to immediately call poker players gamblers and note nothing else in that statement, it becomes a flat out lie when on top of that he states that playing poker is a complete waste of time, money, and life itself.

Poker has far more skill involved than blackjack, and blackjack effectively becomes a -EV game like the rest if you take into account a casino can cut you off at will. Yet these kids somehow didn't waste their time, money, or lives. Curiously they actually did quite the opposite. If anyone lives on planet joker, it's Chad Hills.

The fact that they are religious like him and FoF is icing on the cake for obvious reasons.

Originally Posted by zerosum79

Maybe I missed something but can someone please point me to where Chad Hills says that the Holy Rollers are not gambling or what they did is ok?

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Evidently Teflon knows something we don't.

[TeflonDawg]

Originally Posted by zerosum79

Maybe I missed something but can someone please point me to where Chad Hills says that the Holy Rollers are not gambling or what they did is ok?

zer

I never said anything of the sort.

Originally Posted by Doc T River

Evidently Teflon knows something we don't.

Arrogance and condescension taint Chad Hills' words, don't let them taint yours.

[TeflonDawg]

Maybe this will simplify things. Here's something Chad Hills wrote in completely disingenuous fashion. To which I would point him to the OP's article and tell him to STFU and Focus on his own Family.

[ScreaminAsian]

Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

I had this long-winded response typed out but I'm just not in the mood to discuss someone who disgusts me as much as Chad Hills. All I'm saying is whenever he opens his mouth somebody should stuff it with this article and all the others out there that demonstrate he is completely full of ****.

i'm fighting back by not giving his site another hit by reading his worthless posts. started last ****ty article and still going strong!

[Doc T River]

Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

Maybe this will simplify things. Here's something Chad Hills wrote in completely disingenuous fashion. To which I would point him to the OP's article and tell him to STFU and Focus on his own Family.

However bad that article was, it doesn't make Hills a hypocrit when it comes to the Holy Rollers.

[TeflonDawg]

OK you still don't get it. The article doesn't make Chad Hills a hypocrite, and I never said that at any point in this thread. The article is a direct contradiction to his disingenuous talking points. I really don't understand how it is so how for you comprehend the difference. You keep repeating yourself stating something I never said. If actually had said what you're saying I said, I would've stated it directly.

Post #5 gets it.

[gman339]

Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

The article doesn't make Chad Hills a hypocrite, and I never said that at any point in this thread.

Oh really?

Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

An article like this just exposes his hypocrisy further and in more ways than one, and should be kept in mind the next time he wants to make **** up in order to serve the FoF's agenda.

[VP$IP]

Chad Hills is a hypocrite for whining about the possibility that some people are not capable of playing winning poker.

But no matter how they play, they will have a higher EV playing internet poker than if they give the money to the priesthood.

If you are in church, and you cannot spot the sucker in 5 minutes, it is you.