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Old 03-14-2012, 07:48 PM   #31
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Re: Help me with the viral video for legislation

Scene of happy couple at home.

Husband on computer, frustrated at seeing this:



with contented wife beside him watching TV.
Wife: Whats wrong, dear?

Husband: The government blocked my poker site.

Wife: That is terrible. I know you enjoy playing.

Husband: Honey, I am going out for awhile.
Scene of wife alone at home. Sound of siren outside. She looks up with concern.

Text banner:
"Let them play poker from home"

"Where they belong"
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:28 PM   #32
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Re: Help me with the viral video for legislation

he was picked up for drunkenly philandering about town with women of varying ethnicities and social standings.

GOOD WORK, OBAMA.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:35 PM   #33
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goddamn obama, takes my job, ruins my marriage, and now i can't even DRIVE to my new job at the racetrack working the stables because he wants to raise the price of gas! unbelievable. let's just right ONE of these wrongs that this filthy evildoer perpetrated on us all and regulate online poker and be done with it. ya know?



(it's called targeted marketing and it could totally work as a thing)
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Old 03-14-2012, 09:24 PM   #34
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I think I'm going to spoof off the guy that was on the news last year I believe talking about "Online poker creates rape and child abuse etc." - gotta find the video. It's a GREAT way to mock the reasoning behind the politicians - and if we can make it known politicians will be attacked and made to look idiotic for things they say and do, they might just hop on board instead of oppose us, especially if our reach is into the millions.
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:40 AM   #35
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Any updates from feelings on "saveipoker.com" over "legalpokervids.com"?
As opposed to illegalpokervids.com???

How about IsPokerLegal.com -- cuz it is but it isn't.

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Old 03-15-2012, 01:41 AM   #36
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And who let ScreaminAsian in here????
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:47 AM   #37
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I've read the thread. Lots of good images/scenarios presented here. Have a couple of points. First is that I really like the idea quoted below (caught the audience quickly and was just dramatic enough to be effective, IMO). Second, I'd be cautious about using the whole lobbying thing as a negative because poker players have lobbiests too (PPA and PPA-PAC).

Good luck. We really need the help.


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Scene of happy couple at home.

Husband on computer, frustrated at seeing this:



with contented wife beside him watching TV.
Wife: Whats wrong, dear?

Husband: The government blocked my poker site.

Wife: That is terrible. I know you enjoy playing.

Husband: Honey, I am going out for awhile.
Scene of wife alone at home. Sound of siren outside. She looks up with concern.

Text banner:
"Let them play poker from home"

"Where they belong"
***And maybe the guy is this video can be an Iraq vet??

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Old 03-15-2012, 10:47 AM   #38
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Husband: Honey, I am going out for awhile.
Scene of wife alone at home. Sound of siren outside. She looks up with concern.

Text banner:
"Let them play poker from home"

"Where they belong"
I like the general idea but the ending is a little too much imo, especially the bolded part. It will probably not appeal to macho type guys "What do you mean 'where I belong'? .. I can go out if i want to!". Just playing devil's advocat
I think a better ending/banner should be along the lines of, "Enjoying my hobby shouldn't have to take me away from the comfort and security of my own home" again focusing on exercising my freedom to enjoy an activity i like from the comfort of my own home.
It's pretty much the same idea just a different tone imo.
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:03 PM   #39
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Re: Help me with the viral video for legislation

Yep. Lets make it better. But concise and pithy.
"Let them play poker from home"

"The best deal for everyone"
or
"Let them play poker from home"

"A Win-Win situation"
and then a scene of husband playing poker on internet, and wife hugging him and saying "Nice play, dear".

or

"I think it is time to go all in"

Turns out the lights.

(pause) Sound of zipper. (pause)

"That is a nice hand"

Both laugh.

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Old 03-15-2012, 02:16 PM   #40
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Any updates from feelings on "saveipoker.com" over "legalpokervids.com"?
saveipoker.com is a great idea, definitely my favorite. Simple and catchy. The name of the site perfectly describes its purpose. When you go to saveipoker.com, you know you are going to a site in which you will see content related to saving internet poker. I also like the implication that ipoker is legal and allowed and that its in trouble and needs help - as opposed to it being illegal and immoral and we are trying to overturn laws. Its a name that represents a 'glass half full' viewpoint that is more likely to get support from an uninformed viewer.

legalpokervids....meh. Gramatically it sounds like its the videos that are legal, not poker or about legalizing poker. ie, as if 'legal' and 'poker' are both adjectives describing the 'vids', which is not the intended meaning. If I were to go to legalpokervids.com, the first thought I would have is..."I wonder what sort of illegal poker vids are out there on other websites, strip poker or something?". If this were changed to "legalizepokervids.com" the meaning would be more clear in that the vids are in regards to legalizing poker. However - this name is not very elegant. Also, it could lead to parallels to the 'legalize it' marijuana campaign, which although most of the arguments for an against poker and marijuana are the same - our cause is not helped by drawing these parallels.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:44 PM   #41
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We want to point out the flat out RIDICULOUSNESS of not being able to PLAY POKER in our OWN HOMES on our OWN COMPUTERS in the land of what is considered to be, "the free".

Think about it, from the most basic stand point. We're not allowed to play poker on our computers. How ridiculous is that?
If you are going to do a video- and that's a good, proactive stance- you should examine your above statement. You are already able to play computer poker at home...what you want do is to play poker involving money and a state licensed commercial poker site. Why would you want to leave out our main goal? It's not about freedom; it's about the state saying it is legal for a poker site to run the games you want to play.
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:09 PM   #42
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Re: Help me with the viral video for legislation

(video of flag flying in a strong breeze)
In the Land of the Free, these things are legal:
  • Scene of someone buying a lottery ticket
  • Scene of someone buying a scratch ticket
  • Scene of someone betting on a horse race (online!)
  • Scene of someone playing poker at Indian casino
  • Scene of someone pulling a slot machine handle

In the Land of the Free, this is not allowed:
  • Internet poker from home
(video of flag hanging limply)

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?

Support Internet Poker from Home
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:19 PM   #43
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As opposed to illegalpokervids.com???

How about IsPokerLegal.com -- cuz it is but it isn't.
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I've read the thread. Lots of good images/scenarios presented here. Have a couple of points. First is that I really like the idea quoted below (caught the audience quickly and was just dramatic enough to be effective, IMO). Second, I'd be cautious about using the whole lobbying thing as a negative because poker players have lobbiests too (PPA and PPA-PAC).

Good luck. We really need the help.




***And maybe the guy is this video can be an Iraq vet??
Sajeffe,

Thanks for the support, and I can definitely feel your desire for this to find a home in the senate, because of your constant dedication to all the legislation threads. I don't post often, but I read often. Keep it up! More people like you and this might have happened by now.

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I like the general idea but the ending is a little too much imo, especially the bolded part. It will probably not appeal to macho type guys "What do you mean 'where I belong'? .. I can go out if i want to!". Just playing devil's advocat
I think a better ending/banner should be along the lines of, "Enjoying my hobby shouldn't have to take me away from the comfort and security of my own home" again focusing on exercising my freedom to enjoy an activity i like from the comfort of my own home.
It's pretty much the same idea just a different tone imo.
I've been throwing around the idea with everybody about "Why don't we name off a ton of things that we CAN do from home. But hit all spectrums, pornography, investing, working, paying bills, etc. Hit some of the dark ones like porn so that the negative connotation enters peoples mind and they think, "Wow that IS messed up you can do THAT but not play poker" and run throw a huge list of them quickly and then end with... "But we can't play poker online."

Something to that effect.

Great ideas and thanks a ton for contributing though!

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Yep. Lets make it better. But concise and pithy.
"Let them play poker from home"

"The best deal for everyone"
or
"Let them play poker from home"

"A Win-Win situation"
and then a scene of husband playing poker on internet, and wife hugging him and saying "Nice play, dear".

or

"I think it is time to go all in"

Turns out the lights.

(pause) Sound of zipper. (pause)

"That is a nice hand"

Both laugh.
I like it, definitely adds a different touch to the end of the video.

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saveipoker.com is a great idea, definitely my favorite. Simple and catchy. The name of the site perfectly describes its purpose. When you go to saveipoker.com, you know you are going to a site in which you will see content related to saving internet poker. I also like the implication that ipoker is legal and allowed and that its in trouble and needs help - as opposed to it being illegal and immoral and we are trying to overturn laws. Its a name that represents a 'glass half full' viewpoint that is more likely to get support from an uninformed viewer.

legalpokervids....meh. Gramatically it sounds like its the videos that are legal, not poker or about legalizing poker. ie, as if 'legal' and 'poker' are both adjectives describing the 'vids', which is not the intended meaning. If I were to go to legalpokervids.com, the first thought I would have is..."I wonder what sort of illegal poker vids are out there on other websites, strip poker or something?". If this were changed to "legalizepokervids.com" the meaning would be more clear in that the vids are in regards to legalizing poker. However - this name is not very elegant. Also, it could lead to parallels to the 'legalize it' marijuana campaign, which although most of the arguments for an against poker and marijuana are the same - our cause is not helped by drawing these parallels.
Agree with everything about both domains. Registering the new one now, and running with that name, getting a website theme up today along with a logo in the next 24-48 hours.

However: Many of the supporters that are helping marijuana laws get passed would probably just as quick vote yes on our cause, so it won't be bad to try to find a way into that community and align with those people privately so that we garnish all the support we can get.

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If you are going to do a video- and that's a good, proactive stance- you should examine your above statement. You are already able to play computer poker at home...what you want do is to play poker involving money and a state licensed commercial poker site. Why would you want to leave out our main goal? It's not about freedom; it's about the state saying it is legal for a poker site to run the games you want to play.
It's about making the idea simple for others though in my mind. We don't want a state licensed site, in my opinion. I want it to just be legalized, all around, and force the sites to implement things that accomodate us instead of us accommodating them by playing where the government want us to play.

It's a lose, in my book, if there are state licensed sites that only allow interstate poker, and not international poker. I want to be able to login to pokerstars again - just like I should be able to, because the fact that it's illegal is egregious to begin with.

What we need to be careful of is that if we accept the lower rung on the success ladder, we open ourselves up to the defense from the legislature of, "We dealt with this forever, got you a solution, and now you're complaining" and have them ignore it for ten years.

We should set our sights for complete federal legalization right now, one that overshadows and forces state automatic optin if no other law exists, so that states like mine (Washington) quit with their own prohibitions.

Our state is about to legalize gay marriage, and has a medical marijuana law, and is looking into complete legalization, but they prohibited online poker before the entire BF thing ever happened.

Long story short: We should have the same freedoms as the people that are about a 6 hour drive from me. To login to a online poker site, and play for money.

But yes, I agree with some of your points, just want to make clear that our goal is much bigger than just getting SOME type of success.

If we live in the land of the free, let's live in the land of the free.


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(video of flag flying in a strong breeze)
In the Land of the Free, these things are legal:
  • Scene of someone buying a lottery ticket
  • Scene of someone buying a scratch ticket
  • Scene of someone betting on a horse race (online!)
  • Scene of someone playing poker at Indian casino
  • Scene of someone pulling a slot machine handle

In the Land of the Free, this is not allowed:
  • Internet poker from home
(video of flag hanging limply)

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?

Support Internet Poker from Home
Very, VERY good idea... already on creating that one right now, or something similar, but that's going to be our first video.

- Brenden

PS: Keep ALL these ideas coming, we're writing them all down and starting to build multiple storylines for videos. We have about five going thus far, and plan on trying to have 20 videos within the next 180 days.

Excited for this, loving this new camera I got too
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:11 PM   #44
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Re: Help me with the viral video for legislation

I like the idea of a simple ~15 second clip emphasizing the hypocrisy of legalized online gambling on horse racing and criminalized online poker.

1. 5 second clip of some degenerate looking guy foaming at the mouth as his wildly cheers on his pony with a ticket in his hand a laptop opened to "BetHorse.com" plainly in view.

2. Couple of second plain screen clip of "LEGAL"

3. Some normal looking guy playing online poker on his laptop looking thoughtful.

4. Couple of second plain screen clip of "ILLEGAL"

5. Back to #3 SWAT bust in guns drawn, tackle and and cuff him.

6. Plain screen: "?" appears.

7. A plain screen advertising your website / PPA or whatever other pro-poker site.
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:13 PM   #45
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I like the idea of a simple ~15 second clip emphasizing the hypocrisy of legalized online gambling on horse racing and criminalized online poker.

1. 5 second clip of some degenerate looking guy foaming at the mouth as his wildly cheers on his pony with a ticket in his hand a laptop opened to "BetHorse.com" plainly in view.

2. Couple of second plain screen clip of "LEGAL"

3. Some normal looking guy playing online poker on his laptop looking thoughtful.

4. Couple of second plain screen clip of "ILLEGAL"

5. Back to #3 SWAT bust in guns drawn, tackle and and cuff him.

6. Plain screen: "?" appears.

7. A plain screen advertising your website / PPA or whatever other pro-poker site.
More great ideas for us! Thanks a ton for taking the time to post.

Even if you have a slight variation of something you've seen posted feel free to post still, it will help us. Every detail or little idea could be the one that flips switches in people's minds.

Let's make this a collective effort. We've decided on saveipoker.com as the domain, are setting up the YouTube channel now, and starting on the first video.

The theme/logo and basic page should be up shortly.

- Brenden
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