A Glimpse into the PPA and reality in America

[SamuraiPlaya]

Originally Posted by TheEngineer

Yeah...I just lack heart. For six years, many have attacked me and others, hoping to energize us. My favorite part is how you know nothing about me, yet post attack after attack on me.

I attack the system which is not effective in solving problems, PERIOD !

And you Sir are part of the system and thus part of the problem. And my comments are not directed at anyone personally but the supposed "rights" you fight for is a joke to begin with !

You call it a compromise and I call it settling. I have two Grandfathers that served and fought in WWII to save us from the very thing we are becoming today, irony is a puzzling mystery indeed

[SamuraiPlaya]

Originally Posted by starrazz

I hope The Engineer starts deleting these obnoxious trolling posts. It's not the PPA's fault we don't have online poker. You're being too nice to them, sir. I disagreed with Reid/Kyl but now we have an avenue via the states and it's time for all of us to be united going forward. P.S. to Don Quixote...Thanks also DQ I will get on that--in January.

Sure let him delete posts, and if you open your eyes you will realize this kind of thing is why we do not have online poker !

Our country continuously moves toward Communist/socialist control not only in the media but in all areas of our society. So sure delete posts that offer thinkin and ideas etc if they oppose your idealism.

The real answer is that we do not need any regulation at all at the Federal or Local level other than the normal Governing bodies of Taxation already set Laws that all businesses follow.

Let the sites be to do business on an open and free market the way this country was intended to be. Tax the sites a set fee and hold US citizens accountable to pay taxes on profits at years end. In terms of ethics, Parents are responsible to not allow their children to gamble online before age 18 and once 18 years old I should be able to freely do with my own money what I want as long as it does not directly hurt my neighbor.

There, problem solved. Oh wait that is just too easy and would put a whole lot of these Lobbyist and Politicians and self serving interest groups out of business.

I speak the truth and what is and should be right for the masses and the people. The PPA speaks in terms of compromise. There is not and should not be any compromise ! We are a Govt "For the people and by the people" and until we stand up for what is right we will have to keep sitting and watching as these Elitist groups keep telling us what they think is right because they want to own and control it.

[TheEngineer]

Originally Posted by SamuraiPlaya

Sure let him delete posts, and if you open your eyes you will realize this kind of thing is why we do not have online poker !

Our country continuously moves toward Communist/socialist control not only in the media but in all areas of our society. So sure delete posts that offer thinkin and ideas etc if they oppose your idealism.

The real answer is that we do not need any regulation at all at the Federal or Local level other than the normal Governing bodies of Taxation already set Laws that all businesses follow.

Let the sites be to do business on an open and free market the way this country was intended to be. Tax the sites a set fee and hold US citizens accountable to pay taxes on profits at years end. In terms of ethics, Parents are responsible to not allow their children to gamble online before age 18 and once 18 years old I should be able to freely do with my own money what I want as long as it does not directly hurt my neighbor.

There, problem solved. Oh wait that is just too easy and would put a whole lot of these Lobbyist and Politicians and self serving interest groups out of business.

I speak the truth and what is and should be right for the masses and the people. The PPA speaks in terms of compromise. There is not and should not be any compromise ! We are a Govt "For the people and by the people" and until we stand up for what is right we will have to keep sitting and watching as these Elitist groups keep telling us what they think is right because they want to own and control it.

You're not the first one to come here, upset that government actually passes laws and has the ability to enforce them. You can pretend government has no authority in this matter, but it won't make it so. We've seen that.

[SamuraiPlaya]

Originally Posted by TheEngineer

You're not the first one to come here, upset that government actually passes laws and has the ability to enforce them. You can pretend government has no authority in this matter, but it won't make it so. We've seen that.

Rich, again my disgust and apparently meaningless rants are not directed toward you personally but at the system which I know and believe is evil at its very core and in no way even comes close to doing what those great men who wrote the constitution intended it to do.

"We have given you a Republic, if you can keep it." Benjamin Franklin

My contention is that they should not be passing more laws, more restrictions, more control, needing and gaining more authority, more regulations etc....

STAY the @!%$ out of it ! Allow online poker to follow the same rules and regulations that any other industry follows. Let open and free markets rule allowing competition to flourish and be at the core of bringing the best possible product to the people.

The Kyle/Reid bill is such a joke that it looks like it was written right from a guideline from the Communist Manifesto !

You are the one that can pretend that you want something good while actually being part of the plan leading us directly into a twisted version of a Stalin/Hitler/Lenin/Obama world. Congrats

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell

[SamuraiPlaya]

"We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men."
George Orwell

I have gotten into a few words with Rich Muny of the PPA and my criticism of their organization and the current situation US online poker players now face.

There are two kinds of thinkers in this world. One type is a positive mindset that there is an abundance and plenty for all as long as we live by certain set of conservative minded principles guided by right and wrong. The other is mindset that humans are fools and there is not enough and that the really intelligent elite people need to think for everyone else and make decisions that are in "everyones" best interest.

Abundance Mentality
-Victory means success that brings mutually beneficial results to all involved.
-Recognizes unlimited opportunities for positive growth and development.
-Realizes that there are three ways to do things, my way, your way and a better way.
-Appreciates the uniqueness of others.

Scarcity Mentality
-Victory means success at the expense of someone else.
-Difficulty showing happiness for the success of others including family, friends and business associates.
-Difficulty sharing credit, recognition, power and profit.
-Difficulty being a team player because differences in opinion are perceived as disloyalty.

At one time businessmen were in fear if a competitor would set up shop near them for a belief that the market could not sustain them both. But time told the truth that competition and more available choices actually created a larger more flourishing market. More businesses and more competition was better for everyone. Owners even started community organizations to help each other and thus the greatest market in human history unfolded, The United states of America.

We were founded and flourished by Abundance Mentality thinkers. Now most of our politicians and leaders are the opposite. They are Scarcity Mentality thinkers who feel the need to control, govern and ration everything because they tell us that they know what is best for everyone when that is not entirely the truth. They dont want what is best for everyone, they want control which is essentially wanting what is best for themselves.

Our Govt and the PPA will tell you that we need Federal Poker Legislation for our own good when in fact their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

As far as a solution, I agree that this is and should be a states issue. We need to form groups within our own states to lobby for what is truly right, Free open markets that are merely held to the same standards every other business is held to in terms of taxation and criminal liability.

I am from Ohio born and raised, if you have any ideas you would like to share PM me. I am seriously thinking of joining this fight at more than a level of making threads and sending emails.

Let us fight for what made this country great, which is taking the fight directly to our leaders in our local communities at the state level. Let's keep the Federal out out of this. The Kyle/Reid bill should be enough to scare any red blooded American to death who values any type of Republic and/or liberties our forefathers gave us for those of us who bothered to read it closely.

It looked like something straight out of the Communist Manifesto and the PPA endorsed it ? I am so glad it will be done away with ! And we were supposed to accept this just so we could play again compromising everything Americans stand for.

If the PPA will take the fight to the States individually and agree NOT to settle for unfair and overbearing legislation I will again endorse them but until then I am and have been through with them. They are part of the problem and not the solution in my opinion.

[Richas]

Bye.

[Doc T River]

Originally Posted by SamuraiPlaya

I have gotten into a few words with Rich Muny of the PPA and my criticism of their organization and the current situation US online poker players now face.

There are two kinds of thinkers in this world. One type is a positive mindset that there is an abundance and plenty for all as long as we live by certain set of conservative minded principles guided by right and wrong. The other is mindset that humans are fools and there is not enough and that the really intelligent elite people need to think for everyone else and make decisions that are in "everyones" best interest.

Abundance Mentality
-Victory means success that brings mutually beneficial results to all involved.
-Recognizes unlimited opportunities for positive growth and development.
-Realizes that there are three ways to do things, my way, your way and a better way.
-Appreciates the uniqueness of others.

Scarcity Mentality
-Victory means success at the expense of someone else.
-Difficulty showing happiness for the success of others including family, friends and business associates.
-Difficulty sharing credit, recognition, power and profit.
-Difficulty being a team player because differences in opinion are perceived as disloyalty.

At one time businessmen were in fear if a competitor would set up shop near them for a belief that the market could not sustain them both. But time told the truth that competition and more available choices actually created a larger more flourishing market. More businesses and more competition was better for everyone. Owners even started community organizations to help each other and thus the greatest market in human history unfolded, The United states of America.

We were founded and flourished by Abundance Mentality thinkers. Now most of our politicians and leaders are the opposite. They are Scarcity Mentality thinkers who feel the need to control, govern and ration everything because they tell us that they know what is best for everyone when that is not entirely the truth. They dont want what is best for everyone, they want control which is essentially wanting what is best for themselves.

Our Govt and the PPA will tell you that we need Federal Poker Legislation for our own good when in fact their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

As far as a solution, I agree that this is and should be a states issue. We need to form groups within our own states to lobby for what is truly right, Free open markets that are merely held to the same standards every other business is held to in terms of taxation and criminal liability.

I am from Ohio born and raised, if you have any ideas you would like to share PM me. I am seriously thinking of joining this fight at more than a level of making threads and sending emails.

Let us fight for what made this country great, which is taking the fight directly to our leaders in our local communities at the state level. Let's keep the Federal out out of this. The Kyle/Reid bill should be enough to scare any red blooded American to death who values any type of Republic and/or liberties our forefathers gave us for those of us who bothered to read it closely.

It looked like something straight out of the Communist Manifesto and the PPA endorsed it ? I am so glad it will be done away with ! And we were supposed to accept this just so we could play again compromising everything Americans stand for.

If the PPA will take the fight to the States individually and agree NOT to settle for unfair and overbearing legislation I will again endorse them but until then I am and have been through with them. They are part of the problem and not the solution in my opinion.

Based on the second sentence of yours I bolded, I'd say you're guilty of the being in the camp of the people you talk about in the first sentence I bolded.

If you're through with them, and have been through with them, why are you posting this?

[SamuraiPlaya]

I am curious why this is moved into the PPA forum when my thread is directly related to my views on how and why we should fight for legislation ?

Even though PPA is in the title the basis of my contention is to fight at the state level for legislation apart from the views of the PPA for anyone who actually read it.

[sba9630]

Originally Posted by SamuraiPlaya

...if you have any ideas you would like to share...

Start a blog.

[SamuraiPlaya]

Originally Posted by Doc T River

Based on the second sentence of yours I bolded, I'd say you're guilty of the being in the camp of the people you talk about in the first sentence I bolded.

If you're through with them, and have been through with them, why are you posting this?

I can see the trolls beginning and I truly see why America is in this position.

I posted it because I completely disagree with almost everything that they stand for. Just the fact that they are willing to compromise so much just to get some twisted form of legislation in is wrong in my opinion.

[PokerXanadu]

Originally Posted by SamuraiPlaya

I am curious why this is moved into the PPA forum when my thread is directly related to my views on how and why we should fight for legislation ?

Even though PPA is in the title the basis of my contention is to fight at the state level for legislation apart from the views of the PPA for anyone who actually read it.

Your title and main gist of the thread is about how PPA is wrong, just as were your posts leading up to this thread (now moved here). The evidence is your opening and concluding paragraphs, usually a pretty good indicator of what is the intent of the post.

[TheEngineer]

Samurai,

The problem with that is government is actively working to stop online poker. It's not our fault the system is what it is, and not many of our members are asking us to do nothing but plug our ears and scream "but it's not fairrrrrrr" and get nowhere.

[SamuraiPlaya]

Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

Your title and main gist of the thread is about how PPA is wrong, just as were your posts leading up to this thread (now moved here). The evidence is your opening and concluding paragraphs, usually a pretty good indicator of what is the intent of the post.

I did not say that, I simply said I disagree with them. I would like people to open their minds to what has happened and fight for what is right and not just accept things as they are.

Free open markets is the answer, not closed twisted communist BS like the Kyle/Reid bill. Not suggesting we have no legislation, just legislation that promotes free enterprise.

You know, the kind that actually built this nation... novel idea I know, just amazing how twisted and desensitized Americans are today to believe the rhetoric that is being distributed by our Govt and the PPA that most poker players on this forum dont even care they just want to click buttons at any cost..

[TheEngineer]

Why do you think think this is PPA's doing? It's the government seeking to ban us, not us.

[SamuraiPlaya]

Originally Posted by TheEngineer

Samurai,

The problem with that is government is actively working to stop online poker. It's not our fault the system is what it is, and not many of our members are asking us to do nothing but plug our ears and scream "but it's not fairrrrrrr" and get nowhere.

Maybe it is Rich. And perhaps my fault more than yours. I truly believe I am right yet I do nothing but blame others for not caring or doing anything. The men like my Grandfathers and others who built this nation did not sit home hoping others would solve their problems. When something came up, they packed their bags and they went to die for what they believed in. Until more of us are willing to at least consider it the powers that be will continue to gain power and influence and eventual complete control.

"In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free"

Battle Hymn of the Republic

I realize that I have a lot of personal soul searching to do in order to discover what is really important to me in terms of this fight and how far and much I am willing to fight. Guess I just wanted to see if others thought as I do.