This forum is about as dead as games on FTP

[Jah Onion]

That is all.

[ChicagoRy]

I think the PPA uses their resources more so in the legislation forum than here. This is more of a "if somebody has a PPA specific issue they can ask here" support forum.

And the legislation forum is alive and strong.

At least that's my observation.

[Doc T River]

Time for them to tick off Mason again.

Just kidding.

[Skallagrim]

Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

I think the PPA uses their resources more so in the legislation forum than here. This is more of a "if somebody has a PPA specific issue they can ask here" support forum.

And the legislation forum is alive and strong.

At least that's my observation.

It was not done by dictate or design, but this seems to be what has developed: general poker issues discussed in the legislation forum, issues regarding the PPA discussed directly in the PPA forum.

And, somewhat surprisingly, no one has raised any new issues about the PPA itself lately.

Personally, I am glad to have a little "quiet time" here so that I can devote more time elsewhere. I know it wont last, so I take advantage while I can.

Skallagrim

[TeflonDawg]

I'm guessing part of that is because the players that are playing now don't even know the PPA exists. The rest of them just don't care anymore.

[DonkeyQuixote]

Originally Posted by Skallagrim

It was not done by dictate or design, but this seems to be what has developed: general poker issues discussed in the legislation forum, issues regarding the PPA discussed directly in the PPA forum.

And, somewhat surprisingly, no one has raised any new issues about the PPA itself lately.

Personally, I am glad to have a little "quiet time" here so that I can devote more time elsewhere. I know it wont last, so I take advantage while I can.

Skallagrim

Okay, so that neither the forum nor PPA is mistakenly perceived as dead or on life support:

Has the PPA filed its Form 990 for 2011 yet, showing who was bankrolling its efforts in 2011 and the expenses incurred ?

What % of PPA funding was derived from membership dues for 2011 ?

Other than membership dues, who contributed the remainder of the donations or funding ?

Has the PPA taken any action in 2012 to promote the legalization of online poker at the State level in Nevada, Illinois or California ?

(Other forums have seen some TE Action Plan items directed at Governor Christie of New Jersey, which was nice. has the PPA done anything ?)

I did not see any PPA presence at the WSOP this year. Did I miss an appearance or booth there ?

Does any PPA representative plan to attend the 2+2 Party on July 6?

[DonkeyQuixote]

FWIW, I've since seen that there is a PPA Town Hall event scheduled at the Rio, on June 30, at 12:15 pm.

So, there is activity planned for Nevada..... good.

[Percival]

The PPA was a wet dream of Poker on-line poker operators. It functioned under the auspices that it was for 'players'. This may be true in part, but what it really was, was a greasy wheel, powered by on-line operators, toward growing the on-line base, and in an aggregate way of improving the companies' bottom line performance.

That's why you never saw a poker player's 'Bill of Rights' or similar doc ever produced, published and pushed by the PPA. Such a tool (and mission), may have gone a long way toward keeping Full Tilt on the straight and narrow, as well as pressuring other on-line companies from being so careless as to green-light deviate and corruptive behavior by both employees of on-line operators, as well as tech savvy customers.

That said, it's hard to argue that the PPA wasn't profoundly disingenuous from its inception. If if was truly a mechanism to aid players, it would have produced better results. Instead, it has a foul legacy, including having both Chris Ferguson and Howard Lederer as acting board members that didn't step down until after Black Friday.

On paper, the PPA cause was one that any player might love to support. But in reality, the PPA mission was absent of a fight, and important voice that players needed to pressure operators for standardized, industry wide player protections.

I would argue that PPA supporters in the past were under the impression that it was fighting for their (player) rights. Not true as we now know. The PPA may have fought for a players right to play online, but not for their rights as a player that was already playing on-line. And it didn't matter to the PPA that there was confusion about this among it's supporters - it benefited from a residual affect from letting supporters believe what they wanted to believe.

[sba9630]

Originally Posted by Percival

...That's why you never saw a poker player's 'Bill of Rights' or similar doc ever produced, published and pushed by the PPA. Such a tool (and mission), may have gone a long way toward keeping Full Tilt on the straight and narrow, as well as pressuring other on-line companies from being so careless as to green-light deviate and corruptive behavior by both employees of on-line operators, as well as tech savvy customers...

Thinking that a "Bill of Rights" document would have kept FTP on the "straight and narrow" is stupid bordering moronic.

[PokerXanadu]

Originally Posted by Percival

...I would argue that PPA supporters in the past were under the impression that it was fighting for their (player) rights. Not true as we now know. The PPA may have fought for a players right to play online, but not for their rights as a player that was already playing on-line. And it didn't matter to the PPA that there was confusion about this among it's supporters - it benefited from a residual affect from letting supporters believe what they wanted to believe.

You seem to be confused yourself. Go to the theppa.org and read the mission statement of the PPA. The mission is now and always has been to get favorable laws for poker players. The mission is not now and never has been to police the industry for the benefit of poker players. Maybe you think it should, and maybe it will some day. But you can't fault the PPA for not policing the industry when that has never been its stated mission.

[sajeffe]

It's really a shame there are no PPA patches on anyone at the WSOP. I mean, thousands of people at the venue, thousands of people looking at pictures and videos on PokerNews, and hundreds of people watching livestreams. Gross that there is not one PPA patch among all of those people, nor one mention of PPA.

Of all the places PPA should be uber-present, shouldn't WSOP be "it?"

[DonkeyQuixote]

Originally Posted by Skallagrim

It was not done by dictate or design, but this seems to be what has developed: general poker issues discussed in the legislation forum, issues regarding the PPA discussed directly in the PPA forum.

And, somewhat surprisingly, no one has raised any new issues about the PPA itself lately.Personally, I am glad to have a little "quiet time" here so that I can devote more time elsewhere. I know it wont last, so I take advantage while I can.

Skallagrim

so, again, can someone from the PPA address the following questions posted earlier in this thread ....so that neither the forum nor PPA is mistakenly perceived as dead or on life support:

1. Has the PPA filed its Form 990 for 2011 yet, showing who was bankrolling its efforts in 2011 and the expenses incurred ?

2. What % of PPA funding was derived from membership dues for 2011 ?

3. Other than membership dues, who contributed the remainder of the donations or funding ?

4. Has the PPA taken any action in 2012 to promote the legalization of online poker at the State level in Delaware, Illinois or California ?

Not too "surprisingly", the PPA rep who popped his noggin into this thread did not address these matters the first time around.

[DonkeyQuixote]

Originally Posted by sajeffe

It's really a shame there are no PPA patches on anyone at the WSOP. I mean, thousands of people at the venue, thousands of people looking at pictures and videos on PokerNews, and hundreds of people watching livestreams. Gross that there is not one PPA patch among all of those people, nor one mention of PPA.

Of all the places PPA should be uber-present, shouldn't WSOP be "it?"

The PPA is planning to attend the WSOP on June 30. Presumably, as announced, it will hand out patches .... hope it brings quite a few.

I'll be at the WSOP that day and am donating 10 DQ gift cards to the effort, one to each of the first 10 people I see wearing patches who are PPA members, other than paid PPA staff or board members.

[sba9630]

Originally Posted by sajeffe

It's really a shame there are no PPA patches on anyone at the WSOP. I mean, thousands of people at the venue, thousands of people looking at pictures and videos on PokerNews, and hundreds of people watching livestreams. Gross that there is not one PPA patch among all of those people, nor one mention of PPA.

Of all the places PPA should be uber-present, shouldn't WSOP be "it?"

Greg Raymer Event 18 [wsop.com]

[sajeffe]

Originally Posted by sba9630

Greg Raymer Event 18 [wsop.com]

Woot! WTG, Greg.

Thanks, sba9630! All better now.