FoF taunts poker players

[funkyj]

Originally Posted by blutarski

I made a decision about two years ago not to let any ridiculous ultra-conservative comment go by without a challenge. They had the floor throughout the Clinton and Bush years, and no one took them to task. Look where it's gotten us.

I'm not too popular on FB tho.

That is fine as long as you try to win the debate rather than the argument. My point being that you want to win sheeple to your view. Debate techniques (e.g. emotion laden appeals), not logically sound arguments, win the day.

[__hope__]

Originally Posted by __hope__

Major thread derail for sure, but I guess whether you "believe" humans evolved from apes would determine whether you are a creationist or not in my mind.

Originally Posted by callipygian

You'd be wrong.

How can I be wrong by explicitly stating what the term creationist as it applies to the discussion ITT means in my mind

Creationism is a term generally used to refer to someone who does not "believe" in evolution. I understand there are "evolutionary creationists" and what not. But usually someone who says they believe in creationism does not believe in evolution.

Originally Posted by callipygian

Evolution states humans evolved from some common ancestor with apes (we are not in a direct line but branches off the same tree). Creation states that life was created by a supernatural being. The two are not in direct conflict ... There's actually no REAL conflict, only manufactured conflict, perpetrated in part by both sides.

This is nuts in the real world. If you are talking about some strict academic usage of the term creationism then OK, but that is not how people - creationists included - generally use the term creationist. As it appeared the rest of your post was based on this madness I stopped reading there.

[Doc T River]

Getting back to Mr. Hill, if I could speak to him, I would start by asking him if we have free will and if we do, who gave us free will. And go from there.

[ChaosReigns]

Originally Posted by Doc T River

Getting back to Mr. Hill, if I could speak to him, I would start by asking him if we have free will and if we do, who gave us free will. And go from there.

If you do speak with him and ask him, let us know what he says.

I think I see where you are going. Would be an interesting conversation.

[Cruzincat]

Maybe if someone could investigate and find connections between FoF and Westboro...

Such as 100% of Westboro members are also FoF members?

[callipygian]

Originally Posted by __hope__

This is nuts in the real world. If you are talking about some strict academic usage of the term creationism then OK, but that is not how people - creationists included - generally use the term creationist. As it appeared the rest of your post was based on this madness I stopped reading there.

Let's get straight to the real world, then.

Do you want to criticize slugger for his religious beliefs, and possibly get into a huge argument about telling him he is/is not a creationist when he claims he isn't/is, or do you want to partner with him in getting poker legislation passed? Is there even a real difference between your view and his? (I'm not so sure.) The only difference may be what you internally label yourselves - you don't use the word creationist, slugger would call himself an old-Earth creationist. Your internal beliefs seem to be similar.

Slapping external labels on people is the quickest way to pick a fight, and that's what we (as poker players) absolutely need to avoid with religious, social conservatives. And in part, we (as poker players) are religious, social conservatives.

[lilprog]

I don`t have time to respond to this, but I am going to anyway because it`s important. I was a full time professional poker player when Black Friday happened. I also am a strong Christian, spent 5 years in full time ministry, and may do ministry again in the future.

There is a group (not all) of Christians who get off on finding the one vice in life they don`t struggle with and ripping it to shreds while they struggle with two other vices in their closet. It`s spiritual insecurity and unfortunately its rampant in the portion of Christianity that is unwilling to change with the times.....

Focus on the family constantly looks for fights to pick to validate their cause. The world is going to hell in a handbasket and if conservative Christians don`t stand against it then all hell will break through blah blah blah. They are nothing more than arrogant pricks who judge everyone while many of them probably do things way worse than internet poker in the privacy of their own homes.

Here`s reality. I`ve struggled with the right and wrong of internet poker, and I`ve come to terms with it as being similar to alcohol, and half a dozen other things in life. It`s somethign the can be harmless or ruin your life. But in and of itself it isn`t good or evil.

Everyone has a right to choose what they believe, but I hope to God people aren`t swayed in their decision because of a few idiots who call them Christians and hypocritically bash everything they can find so they can feel better about their pathetic lives.

Don't be fooled into thinking that some idiots with power and money represent an entire movement.

/endrant

Sorry FoF really ticks me off, they are one of several reasons people find church and christianity irrelevant

[ChaosReigns]

Originally Posted by lilprog

I don`t have time to respond to this, but I am going to anyway because it`s important. I was a full time professional poker player when Black Friday happened. I also am a strong Christian, spent 5 years in full time ministry, and may do ministry again in the future.

There is a group (not all) of Christians who get off on finding the one vice in life they don`t struggle with and ripping it to shreds while they struggle with two other vices in their closet. It`s spiritual insecurity and unfortunately its rampant in the portion of Christianity that is unwilling to change with the times.....

Focus on the family constantly looks for fights to pick to validate their cause. The world is going to hell in a handbasket and if conservative Christians don`t stand against it then all hell will break through blah blah blah. They are nothing more than arrogant pricks who judge everyone while many of them probably do things way worse than internet poker in the privacy of their own homes.

Here`s reality. I`ve struggled with the right and wrong of internet poker, and I`ve come to terms with it as being similar to alcohol, and half a dozen other things in life. It`s somethign the can be harmless or ruin your life. But in and of itself it isn`t good or evil.

Everyone has a right to choose what they believe, but I hope to God people aren`t swayed in their decision because of a few idiots who call them Christians and hypocritically bash everything they can find so they can feel better about their pathetic lives.

Don't be fooled into thinking that some idiots with power and money represent an entire movement.

/endrant

Sorry FoF really ticks me off, they are one of several reasons people find church and christianity irrelevant

Here, here.

[newschool2]

Originally Posted by lilprog

I don`t have time to respond to this, but I am going to anyway because it`s important. I was a full time professional poker player when Black Friday happened. I also am a strong Christian, spent 5 years in full time ministry, and may do ministry again in the future.

There is a group (not all) of Christians who get off on finding the one vice in life they don`t struggle with and ripping it to shreds while they struggle with two other vices in their closet. It`s spiritual insecurity and unfortunately its rampant in the portion of Christianity that is unwilling to change with the times.....

Focus on the family constantly looks for fights to pick to validate their cause. The world is going to hell in a handbasket and if conservative Christians don`t stand against it then all hell will break through blah blah blah. They are nothing more than arrogant pricks who judge everyone while many of them probably do things way worse than internet poker in the privacy of their own homes.

Here`s reality. I`ve struggled with the right and wrong of internet poker, and I`ve come to terms with it as being similar to alcohol, and half a dozen other things in life. It`s somethign the can be harmless or ruin your life. But in and of itself it isn`t good or evil.

Everyone has a right to choose what they believe, but I hope to God people aren`t swayed in their decision because of a few idiots who call them Christians and hypocritically bash everything they can find so they can feel better about their pathetic lives.

Don't be fooled into thinking that some idiots with power and money represent an entire movement.

/endrant

Sorry FoF really ticks me off, they are one of several reasons people find church and christianity irrelevant

Very Nice!

[funkyj]

Originally Posted by lilprog

I don`t have time to respond to this, but I am going to anyway because it`s important. I was a full time professional poker player when Black Friday happened. I also am a strong Christian, spent 5 years in full time ministry, and may do ministry again in the future.

...

Don't be fooled into thinking that some idiots with power and money represent an entire movement.

/endrant

Sorry FoF really ticks me off, they are one of several reasons people find church and christianity irrelevant

Well spoken (says the devout atheist)!

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Now, back to the task of deciding how best to win the iPoker propaganda battle!

[sba9630]

Originally Posted by lilprog

I don`t have time to respond to this, but I am going to anyway because it`s important. I was a full time professional poker player when Black Friday happened. I also am a strong Christian, spent 5 years in full time ministry, and may do ministry again in the future.

There is a group (not all) of Christians who get off on finding the one vice in life they don`t struggle with and ripping it to shreds while they struggle with two other vices in their closet. It`s spiritual insecurity and unfortunately its rampant in the portion of Christianity that is unwilling to change with the times.....

Focus on the family constantly looks for fights to pick to validate their cause. The world is going to hell in a handbasket and if conservative Christians don`t stand against it then all hell will break through blah blah blah. They are nothing more than arrogant pricks who judge everyone while many of them probably do things way worse than internet poker in the privacy of their own homes.

Here`s reality. I`ve struggled with the right and wrong of internet poker, and I`ve come to terms with it as being similar to alcohol, and half a dozen other things in life. It`s somethign the can be harmless or ruin your life. But in and of itself it isn`t good or evil.

Everyone has a right to choose what they believe, but I hope to God people aren`t swayed in their decision because of a few idiots who call them Christians and hypocritically bash everything they can find so they can feel better about their pathetic lives.

Don't be fooled into thinking that some idiots with power and money represent an entire movement.

/endrant

Sorry FoF really ticks me off, they are one of several reasons people find church and christianity irrelevant

Amen.

[DjSkyy]

Originally Posted by oldschool

I don't think challenging Mr Mills views is a complete waste of time, the intention of getting him to change his mind is the waste of time. Let him know that others differ in opinion, and the difference between our view and his, is a matter of education. After that, as you say, lets move onto engage higher value targets.

Challenging a faith-based reasoner to a logical debate, or trying to get them to change their minds based upon logical argument, generally IS a waste of time...actually, it's worse than a waste of time because it will make them upset in the way that mentally challenged people get upset when trying to work complex things, and it in turn makes enemies out of strangers.

And that's exactly what we should be avoiding here; avoiding encouraging our more powerful enemies to come after us and prevent us from getting what we want and need. They don't really care about online poker, because they dont even really know what it is. In fact, they don't really know much at all because they don't think for themselves, which is why they are involved in FoF in the first place.

We are but a small group of temporarily motivated slackers who didnt really care enough to fight until we were forced into it for our very survival. And since we are locked in this struggle with everything on the line, being drawn into this childish argument that cannot possibly be won, and inciting the wrath of LITERALLY millions of brainwashed zombies controlled by hucksters is probably not the most intelligent course of action.

let's keep this in mind everyone.

[Sorrybadbeat]

Originally Posted by FreetoplayUK

How did your country get into this mess? You're close to being an Iranian style theocracy. The lunatics are close to running the asylum. These idiots should be laughed out of every position of influence.

Well said,America is a messed up place run by a bunch of loons lol

[DjSkyy]

Originally Posted by Sorrybadbeat

Well said,America is a messed up place run by a bunch of loons lol

it suuuuuuuuuure is

[FristTheDouche]

"Don’t Cry When Your Illegal Activity Is Shut Down" - Chad Hills, very large moron.

"Although it's legal to play for money, it's illegal to process the transactions that allow players to collect their earnings." - Joe Barton, guy who makes the laws so he knows goddamn well what the laws are.

It appears Mr. Hills got some bad information.