Estimated amount of players with just Nevada up?

[ValueJammer]

Originally Posted by Groggy

I think that eventually you'll see computers set up in casinos similar to the way they implemented slot machines. This will be a way for tourists to play without needing to have any knowledge of the technology. This way you always get a diverse player base while still having people partake in the other casino amenities.

I wish this would happen, but floor space is too valuable to replace a slot machine with raked poker. I could see a few machines as a way to make people comfortable with the idea so they play it when they return home (requires intra-state player pool).

[flash237]

Originally Posted by ValueJammer

I wish this would happen, but floor space is too valuable to replace a slot machine with raked poker. I could see a few machines as a way to make people comfortable with the idea so they play it when they return home (requires intra-state player pool).

My initial reaction to this was that it was definitely correct and slots would be far more valuable than having internet poker kiosks in the same space. Then I remembered a conversation I had with a casino manager who told me that his slots averaged $200 net profit per day. I dont think its unreasonable to think that a poker kiosk could generate that much or more in a 24 hr period (assuming they were being played on of course). The great thing as an owner about poker, over slots, is that you never have that bad day where you have to pay out a 6 or 7 figure jackpot. It is possible that to compete with slots on a profit per square foot basis the kiosks couldn't offer micro stakes games but at the mid stakes and higher rake levels could be quite high.

[Grasshopp3r]

Let me be a little more descriptive. The casinos will use online poker as an incentive to come to Vegas to play in live tournaments. People will play online qualifiers for WSOP events. Remember the halcyon days of 2006 when there were 24/7 online SNGs for WSOP ME seats?

[DonkeyQuixote]

Originally Posted by Grasshopp3r

Let me be a little more descriptive. The casinos will use online poker as an incentive to come to Vegas or wherever they have properties, period.?

FYP.

A couple of years ago, Jan Jones, from Caesars, bluntly stated that getting onto the internet, with a sticky environment, was a matter of survival for the Nevada gaming industry.

More recently, Gary Loveman, in commenting on the opening of the licensee Horseshoe branded Casino in Cleveland, explained that CVaesars was going to be THE dominant gaming company in the US because of its ability to reach players through its Total Rewards database. (By way of background, for seversl years ANYONE who entered a WSOP event was required to register for Total Rewards.)

Finally, both NJ and California, have seen legislative attacks proposed upon "anyone who is not Caesars", with repect to affiliate marketing or data base acquisition for the coming online poker market wars.

[Groggy]

One thing they could do is implement specially designed computer systems in hotel rooms, complete with a credit card swiper. Tourists could be up and running in minutes with the option to cash out at the casino.

[daveh07]

Originally Posted by Groggy

One thing they could do is implement specially designed computer systems in hotel rooms, complete with a credit card swiper. Tourists could be up and running in minutes with the option to cash out at the casino.

so awesome

[RazzSpazz]

Awesome for sure.

Wife/gf taking too long to get ready in the morning? Play online in the hotel room before heading out.

Spent all morning shopping? Ate a heavy lunch and need a quick nap before heading out for the evening? Play some cards while you're back in the room.

Come back to the room at night, maybe a little drunk, jump online and play till you pass out.

With quick game formats such as Rush poker and super turbo SNGs, it's not that difficult to envision tourists finding time to play in their rooms. Would be easy for casinos to rake a decent amount per day with the right advertisments/comps/deals etc.

[Sol Eisenberg]

you guys are doing a good job of getting me excited here

[markksman]

Originally Posted by RazzSpazz

Awesome for sure.

Wife/gf taking too long to get ready in the morning? Play online in the hotel room before heading out.

Spent all morning shopping? Ate a heavy lunch and need a quick nap before heading out for the evening? Play some cards while you're back in the room.

Come back to the room at night, maybe a little drunk, jump online and play till you pass out.

With quick game formats such as Rush poker and super turbo SNGs, it's not that difficult to envision tourists finding time to play in their rooms. Would be easy for casinos to rake a decent amount per day with the right advertisments/comps/deals etc.

Plus these terminals could provide updated on action and tournaments going on in the casino itself. In room kiosks seem like a no brainer. Even expand the brand and get them in every dive motel and hotel in the state, even if under a secondary name.

[Do it Right]

As most threads that discuss this do, you are substantially overestimating the size of the current sites. It's important to note that sites like Poker Scout count seats, not players. They count one person playing 40 tables as 40 players. To get the number of unique players you need to divide the average number of tables per player. On a site like Stars huge chunks of the player base is playing a whole lot of tables. I think 4 is a fairly conservative estimate. But if we assume even just that, then we can go to pokerscout and see that show Stars weekly average at 23,400 players. Dividing by 4 that would yield an approximate average of just 5,850 real unique ring game players. And that is a generous estimate.

When I have some time I'll write a program to grab the total unique players online at Stars. It will be surprising to most people.

I don't think anybody can reasonably predict how large the state side online rooms will be. It really depends heavily on consumer adoption rate. If it brings out the players who feel the current sites are rigged, might steal their money at any time, are bothered by the lack of regulation, etc then even individual state sites could be huge. If people perceive the sites as little more than stateside continuations of the status quo - then the rooms will be miniscule.

[Daniel Ocean]

I don't think the online poker soley within Nevada is at all relevant on it's own. This is just a stepping stone to eventually interstate gaming then with further legislation, joining international pool. I like playing online as much as the next person, but when I go to Vegas this is probably the last thing I want to do. When my wife is taking to long to get I just tell her to meet me downstairs and I'll just play something in the casino.

[Groggy]

I love poker and I love you guys!

[knircky]

Well if we take a look at how much the US accounted for overall we come to like 20- 30% for stars and 40-50 for tilt.

So let's just go with stars and say its 25%.

Nevada is about 1% of the US population or 1% of 25% of global online poker populous. However I do believe that people who live in Nevada and people who visit Nevada are 3-4 times as likely to actually play online poker.

So if we are lucky, Nevada can drive about 1% of the global market. Add to that the fact that making it legal and maybe casinos driving it you might be able to double and triple this thing maybe we can get to 3% of what we have on stars today.

So in a peak time where stars has 180k players, maybe the top NV site could get 500-6k players.

That's not gonna be much fun.

[Schwatt]

That's basically Cake network right now. Its definitely viable.

[knircky]

I agree, it's viable and will work.

However if I could I would still play online. The reason that I don't is not cuz its illegal, it's because I can't find enough games to play.

If I had access to stars I would play every day. Now I only play some on cake and merge, just here and there. The only reason is the player pool.