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04-08-2012, 08:38 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
Tru dat.
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fmp
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Originally Posted by Jonaspublius
ummmmm.........everyone is desperate, we want good news, but ponder what happens if a state intranet fails? or barely makes $? delaware has to pool. nj is the only state with a shot to manage merge peak traffic, no way the average, on its own.
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Originally Posted by DrewOnTilt
This.
Delaware can barely support a 20 table poker room at Delaware Park. The competing for gaming dollars in this area is awesomely fierce.
For iPoker to be successful in Delaware, the state must enter a pool compact. Period.
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OK, I guess we just disagree on whether a state this populated can sustain a viable site or not. All it has to do is make money, right? Don't underestimate the ubiquity of the internet combined with a wealthy nation imo. The pool compacts are inevitable if they know what's good for them.
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04-08-2012, 09:28 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
fmp
OK, I guess we just disagree on whether a state this populated can sustain a viable site or not. All it has to do is make money, right? Don't underestimate the ubiquity of the internet combined with a wealthy nation imo. The pool compacts are inevitable if they know what's good for them.
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All it has to do is "make money"? no, it has to pay off the licensing requirements, not hurt lottery sales, not reduce casino visits, and make ENOUGH money that legislators can overcome anti-gambling and anti-poker interests in other states. If Delaware fails, it is propaganda to use against ipoker in other states. If it is mediocre, you can't combat horse****er and lottery lobbyists who don't want the competition. Hey, if Delaware pools with NJ I will be there by Christmas, but if it goes alone, it will be dead by the next Christmas. Games will start late, break early, and more than likely need micromanaging. Advertising is expensive in the Tri-State, and who wants to pay for someone in PA or NJ to see and ad they can't make a sale to?
I see upside in its passage.........but I see the pitfalls.
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04-08-2012, 10:46 AM
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White Knight of FL Poker
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
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Originally Posted by The News Journal
The administration [DE govt] also wants to begin selling lottery tickets and offering casino games such as slots, blackjack, poker and roulette online, as well as on mobile phones.
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What makes you think it makes a difference to the DE legislators if the ipoker has low traffic? It will just be one of a suite of online gaming offered by the lottery. The total revenue of all the gaming will be significant for the state, and it won't matter if ipoker by itself doesn't cut it. The software supplier will no doubt make the effort to pool the poker with their operations elsewhere, but it won't be a make or break scenario for them or the state. This is one of the problems with the state-run-monopoly route to ipoker. It's just a side note against the other house games, same as it is in b&m casinos.
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05-21-2012, 07:37 AM
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White Knight of FL Poker
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
The DE bill, HB 333, has cleared the state’s House Gaming and Parimutuels Committee. The bill authorizes to the state lottery to run lottery sales and table games (including poker) on the Internet. It allows intrastate Internet gaming, interstate I-gaming under state compacts and international I-gaming where authorized by law.
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05-21-2012, 11:34 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: NJ
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
Pretty sure if DE is going to be a run iPoker sites, I'm highly sure they will need interstate and international compacts to stay in competition.
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05-21-2012, 08:44 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Dec 2010
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
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05-22-2012, 06:39 AM
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White Knight of FL Poker
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
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Originally Posted by MrAce777
Pretty sure if DE is going to be a run iPoker sites, I'm highly sure they will need interstate and international compacts to stay in competition.
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To stay in competition with whom? The NJ bill is intrastate-only; likewise CA. NV wants to partner up and be a national hub, but has no other states coming online as of yet. If a federal bill passes this year, it's a moot point.
Anyway, once state lotteries start up, they will form interstate compacts. But also keep in mind that poker is just a minor part of the i-gaming suite that will be implemented by the lottery service providers. It won't matter to the lotteries much if poker remains low volume - the vast majority of their revenues will come from the lottery and casino gaming.
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06-13-2012, 12:38 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
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06-13-2012, 11:49 AM
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adept
Join Date: May 2009
Location: the renaissance
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
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Originally Posted by tamiller866
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Now we need a 3/5 majority senate vote before June 30th.
If it passes the senate how long before the Delaware Governer signs the bill, and how long till it's up and running (assuming it gets signed)?
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06-13-2012, 12:15 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
If they pass it while in session the Governor has 10 days to veto or it becomes law, if they pass it and adjourn the Governor has 30 days to sign or it's 'pocket' vetoed.
I have no idea how long until up and running.
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06-13-2012, 07:14 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: NJ
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
In b4 Delaware passes internet gambling bill into law before NJ. It seems almost as if it is inevitable that DE should form a compact with NJ and/or other states that could potentially have internet gambling or internet poker.
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06-13-2012, 08:26 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
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Originally Posted by MrAce777
In b4 Delaware passes internet gambling bill into law before NJ. It seems almost as if it is inevitable that DE should form a compact with NJ and/or other states that could potentially have internet gambling or internet poker.
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But are compacts legal without some act of Congress?
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06-13-2012, 10:12 PM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2007
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
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Originally Posted by tangled
But are compacts legal without some act of Congress?
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I would say no less legal than the lotto compacts, DoJ complained then but.....not sure if actual legislation was ever passed to allow this.
States claim since no money is "bet" except in state.....
See same here, a hub with state I-Poker, ala Mountaineer Online, ect.
Pulling for Deleware, I am in WV and seems we are in if they are!
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06-13-2012, 10:14 PM
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veteran
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
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Originally Posted by tangled
But are compacts legal without some act of Congress?
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Which also, IMO the congressional effort should be, simply stating states can form compacts.......trouble is International is generally the Feds area, not states so.......
obg
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06-15-2012, 07:19 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Re: Delaware IGaming and NFL betting Bill Introduced
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Originally Posted by oldbookguy
Which also, IMO the congressional effort should be, simply stating states can form compacts.......trouble is International is generally the Feds area, not states so.......
obg
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I tend to agree with the compact approach. In fact, it might be a good way to bridge the gulf between those that favor strict Federalism and those that like the New Deal.
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