if another month goes by and the usa releases nothing at all to show that the people will give their money back, i am going to go talk to a lawyer. i have a substantial amount stuck there (30kish). I am wondering if anyone more educated in all this would like to lead this process and hire a lawyer. what will the lawyer be able to do to get our money back from the doj? would the USA REALLY just not hand back our money that they froze? the money thats in "uncleared" is what i am talking about. meaning the money thats frozen in the accounts that quicktender cant run with. THE USA has made no statements at all saying what they will do.

we just cant sit around doing nothing. no updates are being made at all. I think if things doesnt change , we should take legal actions. if its even possible. any lawyers here?

also what happened in the neteller process? those money were frozen also werent they? or did neteller just decide to pulll out of the usa for no reason. they ended up paying our money eventhough it took about a year. cant this be the same thing where the usa eventually gives back our money?

for those who will say something ignorant like "i told you so." the 30k is uncleared beacuse i was WITHDRAWING it out of quicktender. i already predicted that this was going to go down soon so i wanted to leave just a little bit in my site. the little bit i left i transfered it to another site. but the uncleared money is whats the issue here. so its not like i just left it there thinking it was going to be safe. i knew it wouldnt be safe so thats why i was withdrawing large amounts of money out very fast.

PPA litigation network might be of help, PM this man.

Good luck, sorry for your troubles and ignore the people that will surely say "I told you so."

Wishing you good luck. Even though I don't think there is anything anyone will be able to do about this one.

I know I will get flamed with "well what are we suppose to do, just sit here"? But I will answer your question even though I have no alternative options to offer you.

Why getting a lawyer is not an option:

1) DOJ win rate is sick. I don't work for the DOJ but my profession puts me in contact with them. I have a better chance at beating Brock Lesner in the octagon than beating the DOJ.

2) None of us have the pockets deep enough to fight the DOJ. Feds print money, we don't.

Most importantly.....

3) The federal government, along with its agencies, has sovereign immunity and may not be sued unless it has waived its immunity or consented to suit.

Sorry brother, I wish I had better news.

but can they just not give the people there money back? how many other times has the DOJ seized funds from a company that was doing something illegal AND NOT given the people that were effected by it their money back? has it ever happened or does it always happen that the people never end up getting their money. i dont care about winning a lawsuit. i just want them to do the right thing and give back peoples money. we didnt do anything illegal. the companies did.

They view player funds comingled with processor fees as tainted money and will delay any civil recovery action until after the criminal charges are resolved.

I wish you luck, but I think that $ is gone. Homeland Security appears to have about zero intention of paying it back, and I dont think you have a path to fight it legally.

EDIT: Other than Stars and Neteller, both which I believe had segregated player-only money accounts, the government has basically never given the money back to players. At least AFAIK. Comingled money is going to suck to try and recover.

Or, at least, "evidence."

your original question asked about getting a lawyer to fight the DOJ. i answered that question. i understand you are upset but now you say you dont care about winning a lawsuit?

its as simple as this and i dont mean to be flip but the federal government can do whatever it wants man. sorry to break it to you. the only way you can "make" them give you your money is to get a court order to do so. and you cant get a court order because you cant sue them. so basically, it is in their discretion whether they give you your money back. so the answer to your question of whether they can just seize funds from a company and not give you your money back is: YES

it may not be right or fair but fair or right doesn't matter.

i am asking for specific examples where this happened. that the people didnt get money back. or examples similar to this where people did get their money back

You should 100% pursue this, starting with contacting the agency that has your money. I just can't imagine they haven't set up some sort of provisions for its return.

However, previous seizures have been covered by the sites and the Gov may feel as though they were going to seize this without any question or request from the owners of the money. This is the precedence that has been set in some past seizures because no one even contacted the feds about it. I understand why, as it was eventually covered by the sites and people were easily happy with that, but since that's not going to happen here because this was a processor and not a poker site, I think people are going to have to make claims for it.

After contacting them if they do not have provisions in order for the return of your money, I would then suggest contacting any and all media outlets and let them know what has occurred here. The two first steps mentioned are not only necessary but will not cost anyone any money.

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Call:
U.S. Attorney's Office
District of Maryland
36 S. Charles Street 4th Fl.
Baltimore, MD 21201
(410) 209-4800

EWalletexpress is still tied up with something similar

DOJ has seized tons of processors and kept the money. The poker sites made up the money but the govt never gave it back

BetonSports...not an identical situation, but the government took forfeiture money while players got mostly stiffed.

Neteller, players did get their money back eventually, but they appeared to respond much differently than UMW has. Stars got their money back from segregated accounts. DOJ has said FT and UB/AP can repay, but not freed up account money to let them do so.

Does the PPA or anyone else with any know how want to comment on how best to go about claiming these funds?

I know in the past it's simply been a write off in some cases but then in others (like netteller) arrangements were made for the money's return. As OP has stated, the Gov has made no statements besides "contact the website you deposited at" and IMO seems to think that they are just going to seize all monies and not return whatever is rightfully claimed back to the owner.

Why is this case any different? I understand PPA is busy so maybe they will help guide a recovery plan of attack in days coming and I also realize this is early in the game and just happened literally days ago but I just get the sense that people are writing it off and are not even going to make an attempt to claim their money (in all fairness, this thread is discussing how to, but I mean most posts I've seen from other people just saying "GG money" or whatever)

People are really lost and upset. I don't blame them and I feel for them. I don't know what to say (I have a friend with 19k in limbo from this) but am trying to help any way I can.

If anyone has any advice it would be appreciated. I contacted the feds in Maryland but with no success today. I think the biggest thing is it's going to take a bunch of people actively trying to pursue their money for this to get the right attention.

For now though, I've got enough of my own problems and am going to have to move on. Good luck to those who do have their money in limbo because of this and I'll be interested to see what happens and am pulling for you all.

It is my understanding that the Dept. of Homeland Security closed down Quicktender so I don't why contacting the US District Attorney's Office would do any good.

Grab their number and post it while you're at it. Thanks

Is that the amount you deposited? You could tell the bank you never authorized charges and try to get your money back that way. Oh and this has worked with other sites before. Not saying I did it