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Old 05-28-2011, 07:39 PM   #151
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Yeah, that's great but I was hoping for a response from someone in the PPA that has been working with him on this that has some real information. TE stated yesterday about being ready if the bill came out Friday leading everyone to believe that there was some kind of info on that.
We now expect it next week. Everything is on track....that's just how Capitol Hill is sometimes.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:43 PM   #152
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We now expect it next week. Everything is on track....that's just how Capitol Hill is sometimes.
That's great news. I know these things don't happen overnight but you sounded very optimistic in your post yesterday so it made me very optimistic as well. Thanks for everything that you guys are doing up there on The Hill and keep up the good work.

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Old 05-28-2011, 08:41 PM   #153
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I respect your initiative in creating a much needed bill regarding the regulation of online poker in the United States. Not only is the notion that tax paying citizens can be told how, where, and when to gamble with/spend there own money playing a game of skill ludicrous (especially when state funded lotteries which offer terrible odds air deceitful commercials targeted at problem gamblers); it is also a colossal waste of resources for the DOJ, or any government entity for that matter, to be worried about something as minute as poker.

There is no financial "black hole" created by online poker as alleged by the DOJ except for whatever corporate donations funded this. Obviously, they would know this, as they processed online poker transactions themselves for two whole years.

Here is a novel idea: How about the DOJ monitor terrorist finances from whatever medium they use instead of locking millions of Americans out of a game they love. I seriously doubt that any terrorist that poses a real threat to our country would decide that a poker site is the best way to launder money.

But then again we know this is really an issue of the rich getting richer; but I'll take any regulation I can get no matter how corrupt.

Lastly, politicians who support this bill will create a massive boost of support from the 18-25 male demographic that politicians are constantly trying to reach.


Felt good to let it out even if it is a little brazen. Will change the first sentence to I hope you support this.... for my state reps.
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:52 PM   #154
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We now expect it next week. Everything is on track....that's just how Capitol Hill is sometimes.
If this were the bill, how long is the process from introduction to grinding?
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Old 05-28-2011, 09:53 PM   #155
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If this were the bill, how long is the process from introduction to grinding?
Assuming it passes and doesn't die before the end of 2012 lame duck(would have to be reintroduced in 2013), there is no way of knowing. Depends on how much bipartisan support there is for it(GOP House and Dem Senate, so we have to have bipartisan support), how well the bill is written(does anything need to be changed?), will the opt-out or opt-in add extra time, are any poker studies going to be ordered, and of course will any individuals/committees hold it up? Then, there is no way of knowing how long it will take for regulations to be set up or even who will be allow to regulate.

Would be nice if it moves like the Patriot Act, but the government seems to take freedoms away much faster than they give them back.
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Old 05-28-2011, 10:00 PM   #156
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If this were the bill, how long is the process from introduction to grinding?
If it passes, maybe nine to twelve months. I figure it will take a few months to work its way through the legislative process, then regulators will need time to spool up. Sites will need time to prepare as well.

We'll learn more as the bill is introduced and amended, of course.
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Old 05-28-2011, 10:29 PM   #157
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If it passes, maybe nine to twelve months. I figure it will take a few months to work its way through the legislative process, then regulators will need time to spool up. Sites will need time to prepare as well.

We'll learn more as the bill is introduced and amended, of course.
You also have to keep in mind that there are a number of groups that are set up and ready to enter the market immediately upon passing of legislation. These are people that are set up in the US already and are ready to go.
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Old 05-28-2011, 11:16 PM   #158
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You also have to keep in mind that there are a number of groups that are set up and ready to enter the market immediately upon passing of legislation. These are people that are set up in the US already and are ready to go.
They'll still have to get licensed, and the regulators will have to get up to speed to be ready to go as well. It's possible for that to happen in parallel to the bill working its way through Congress if it looks promising, of course, but that all remains to be seen.
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Old 05-28-2011, 11:37 PM   #159
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Weekend of May 28th (see post #1 for today's plan)

With regards to state opt-outs since we know they are pretty much a lock, should we tell people about how you can play on sites like WorldWinner in most states and compare it to that? I am worried about my state (Nebraska) opting out.
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Old 05-29-2011, 05:24 AM   #160
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Just want to say thanks to The Engineer for all his hard work!
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Old 05-29-2011, 04:10 PM   #161
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When will this be updated with current congress? My rep and one of my senators are not current.
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Old 05-29-2011, 05:45 PM   #162
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Weekend of May 28th (see post #1 for today's plan)

How about working on forcing your board members to get us back our money first?
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Old 05-29-2011, 05:52 PM   #163
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How about working on forcing your board members to get us back our money first?
They are no longer board members. FWIW, they have been trying.

Also the facebook campaign of comments is slowly picking up steam I am proud of my fellow poker players right now.
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:41 PM   #164
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I just posted this:

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I don't need big government to seek to ban online poker and I definitely don't need the watchful eye of the government on my activities inside my own home.

I met with my Congressman's staff earlier this week to ask for his support the upcoming bill by Rep. Barton licensing online poker. I ask that the entire committee support this important legislation.

Many other poker players are ensuring that they are being heard as well. We care, and we vote.
I hope we'll all post on these Facebook walls to let our lawmakers know where we stand. If you like the post I made, please "like" it at http://www.facebook.com/energyandcom...50261688056311. Thanks!
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Old 05-30-2011, 01:42 AM   #165
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Weekend of May 28th (see post #1 for today's plan)

Rich, I just want to thank you for all the work you are doing.
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Old 05-30-2011, 07:36 AM   #166
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Weekend of May 28th (see post #1 for today's plan)

Should we hit up the Facebook page of Rep. Mary Bono Mack?

https://www.facebook.com/mary.b.mack

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Online poker bill pitched to Bono Mack

Online poker sites hope Rep. Mary Bono Mack will help them clarify impressions about the industry and carve out an exemption from federal laws sometimes used to shut down an increasingly popular American pastime.

Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, is preparing legislation that he hopes Bono Mack, R-Palm Springs, will bring up for hearings and a vote in the Energy and Commerce subcommittee on commerce, manufacturing and trade that she leads.

Barton, a former Energy and Commerce chairman, sits on her subcommittee. His spokesman, Sean Brown, said the Texan would prefer that Bono Mack take jurisdiction since he serves on her panel.

Bono Mack wants to think about it, her office said.

“Congresswoman Bono Mack simply said she is open to the idea,” said her spokesman, Ken Johnson.

“That said, the congresswoman does not have plans at this time to move any legislation through her subcommittee. There are a lot of people in our district she would want to consult with first.”
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Old 05-30-2011, 08:43 AM   #167
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Weekend of May 28th (see post #1 for today's plan)

Oh wow I never saw this thread before, but have decided to start following it and contributing to the plan. Keep up the fight, guys
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:33 AM   #168
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Should we hit up the Facebook page of Rep. Mary Bono Mack?

https://www.facebook.com/mary.b.mack
Yes...we definitely wish to earn her support.
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:43 AM   #169
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Rich, I just want to thank you for all the work you are doing.
Thanks! Much appreciated. I'm glad we're all standing up for ourselves in this fight.
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:44 AM   #170
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Tomorrow's action plan will be to start contacting mainstream media to ask them to cover this issue in more depth.
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:47 AM   #171
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Weekend of May 28th (see post #1 for today's plan)

Are the post on Mary Mack' page being deleted or something? I went on to post one and like some others but see nothing poker related!
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:58 AM   #172
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Are the post on Mary Mack' page being deleted or something? I went on to post one and like some others but see nothing poker related!
I don't see any. Unfortunately, users cannot post. We can only comment. As such, it's possible that they are deleting our comments as off-topic.
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Old 05-30-2011, 11:35 AM   #173
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I don't see any. Unfortunately, users cannot post. We can only comment. As such, it's possible that they are deleting our comments as off-topic.
Could backfire then to keep posting on her FB page. Maybe just e-mail her?
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Old 05-30-2011, 05:20 PM   #174
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This weekend's plan:
  • Let's all visit www.theppa.org/takeaction and send the prewritten letters to our lawmakers.
    • These will be replaced when the Barton poker bill is introduced, so let's get this out now before they become obsolete.
    • PPA will put out new letters when the Barton poker bill is introduced, so we'll all be able to send that letter soon as well.
  • Email the House Financial Services Committee to request a hearing on HR 1174 (here).
  • Join the Skype Poker Advocacy Group by PMing me with your Skype username.
  • Let's all tweet this notice: Stand up for #poker rights! Visit http://******/MbrPbd on 2+2 and follow each day's actions in defense of our game. THX!
  • Let's continue to own a lot of Facebook pages (senators, Congressmen, Congressional committees, etc.):
    • The House Financial Services Committee's Facebook page is here.
    • Let's get some posts on the House Committee on Energy and Commerce page (here)
    • The Dept. of Justice's page is here.
    • Senators' FB pages: Senator Facebook Listing
    • We need lots of posts on the issue of poker and lots of "liking" of pro-poker comments.
Thanks!
Done,and done.Keep it up,Rich...we might win yet!2 outers do come in.Lets also all keep up several "follow-up " phone calls,just to keep us in their minds. Good work,every single one of you!
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Old 05-30-2011, 11:46 PM   #175
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Weekend of May 28th (see post #1 for today's plan)

Just so everyone here knows, the "Republicans & Democrats Who Discriminate 2011 Complete List" thread in these forums http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...-list-1045443/ was specifically created and optimized and given the specific title for good ranking and traffic from the search engines to put these politicians who are against ipoker on blast. However it will move up quicker with constant traffic, comment post (especially mentioning those congressmans names, links, and inbound links from outside sites to the thread. It's a pretty easy way to help in the fight for our rights so the more participation and keepin it going constantly the better. Thanks!
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