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The Senate vote this week will involve an open amendment process. I have read some detailed summaries on the bill and it looks like it has been stripped down a ton to give it the best chance of passing. If igambling lobbyists are speculating that an attachment will be attempted I'd have to think Reid and Kyl have at least considered it. This could develop into a legitimate sweat in the coming days IMO.

For a summary of the recently revised bill:
http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/medi...y2012.docx.pdf

Section by section summary:
http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/medi...20july2012.pdf

The WSJ is saying the same thing about the cybersecurity bill having been significantly weakend in order to assure passage. (can't find the article link)

07-25-2012 , 03:17 PM

#377

Berge20

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Those rumors definitely exist for possible effort for cyber attachment. Confirmed.

Not even sure the "negotiated" cyber bill has a chance to clear the Senate. Bet that is currently an uphill battle even on its own.

And I'd wager an "open" amendment process is highly, highly, unlikely. Still, Reid has the ability to "fill the tree" with some amendments of his choosing and could push igaming if he really wanted to.

07-25-2012 , 03:20 PM

#378

sluggger5x

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrewOnTilt

The WSJ is saying the same thing about the cybersecurity bill having been significantly weakend in order to assure passage. (can't find the article link)

I think they have significantly improved privacy protections in the bill. Not sure if its to the extent that people want. See: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/0...ulnerabilities

Hypothetically if privacy and regulation were sufficiently addressed for Republicans this would be a slam dunk bill. I don't think it's that simple though. Cybersecurtiy legislation has been discussed for over a decade.

07-25-2012 , 03:32 PM

#379

KingKongGrinder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Berge20

Those rumors definitely exist for possible effort for cyber attachment. Confirmed.

Are you confirming the rumors exist or that they are true?

07-25-2012 , 03:33 PM

#380

sluggger5x

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Berge20

Thoughts on this (?):

Quote:

Collins predicted the Cybersecurity Act would have enough Republican votes in the Senate to proceed to consideration. She also endorsed an open amendment process, likely to be adopted by Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) for consideration of any amendments germane to the bill.

source: http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/toda...66c981c1b.html

07-25-2012 , 03:38 PM

#381

Berge20

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Confirming rumors exist, not that Reid will necessarily do it.

I think Collins is right on first sentence. Seems likely to me we'll get on the cyber bill.

The second sentence phrasing "any amendments germane to the bill" is key. He'll still have to fill the amendment tree and control the process (ie choose which amendments are "germane" himself) to ensure that someone like Rand Paul couldn't get an amendment up on Pakistan aid funding.

07-25-2012 , 03:39 PM

#382

Go Get It

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Berge20

Those rumors definitely exist for possible effort for cyber attachment. Confirmed.

Not even sure the "negotiated" cyber bill has a chance to clear the Senate. Bet that is currently an uphill battle even on its own.

And I'd wager an "open" amendment process is highly, highly, unlikely. Still, Reid has the ability to "fill the tree" with some amendments of his choosing and could push igaming if he really wanted to.

I wish I had this kind of power, to just attach things and have them be law. It's really insane when you think about how much power he has.

07-25-2012 , 03:41 PM

#383

uncooper

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sluggger5x

This article is somewhat encouraging in the sense that it's a bill that poker players shouldn't feel terrible attaching to.

To that end: TheEngineer, would you consider incorporating some actions into the DAP that lobby to keep the civil liberty and privacy protection measures in the bill? The EFF has this form set up to do just that.

Last edited by uncooper; 07-25-2012 at 03:43 PM. Reason: speling

07-25-2012 , 03:46 PM

#384

totaltool

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LetsGambool

OK, I'll offer 4-1 for up to $1000. PM me or post if interested.

You remind me of one of my fourth-graders:

"I'm faster than you."

"No you're not!"

"Oh yeah, wanna bet?"

07-25-2012 , 03:49 PM

#385

gnvsnnkv

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^^ I did not get that impression at all.

07-25-2012 , 03:50 PM

#386

KingKongGrinder

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Are there any Cyber Security bill cliffs?

07-25-2012 , 03:53 PM

#387

uncooper

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Sluggger posted this link, which is a very good starting point:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/0...ulnerabilities

07-25-2012 , 04:01 PM

#388

As armas

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Also from http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/toda...66c981c1b.html

Quote:

Lieberman thanked Sens. Al Franken (D-Minn.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) for moving the compromise forward.

It would not be too hard for Reid to make the case that a Reid/Kyl amendment is germane to to the cybersecurity bill. Right now americans are gaming online in an unsecure environment. Just ask anyone with $$ tied up on Full Tilt. I see no reason why Kyl would object to attachment.

Reid does not usually allow for attachment of amendments that come up for a vote. That has been a big beef the R's have had with him. But in this case he is. Why the exception this time? Its offically sweat time folks...

07-25-2012 , 04:02 PM

#389

totaltool

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gnvsnk

^^ I did not get that impression at all.

I just don't understand the need to solicit wagers in multiple threads (or maybe multiple times in this thread) on the prospects of legislation passing. Maybe I just don't like prop bets, or am a miserable dude. Anything's possible.

07-25-2012 , 04:17 PM

#390

gnvsnnkv

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I made a bet on iPoker passage this year with LG just recently. It was HIS idea to donate winnings to the PPA, so I guess you can rule out personal gain...

Hope this answers your concerns.

07-25-2012 , 04:26 PM

#391

LetsGambool

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Quote:

Originally Posted by totaltool

I mostly do them because after numerous rumors over the last four years that the i-poker attachment was finally this time definitely here (not that slugger said that this time) I like to at least attempt to do price discovery rather than hang on every wild rumor.

07-25-2012 , 04:34 PM

#392

lilprog

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Considering that I think its a strong likelyhood that any bill that passes would likely have language making it easy for the US to squelch the existing us facing sites of the present, what kind of time frame would exist between passing and signing of the bill?

07-25-2012 , 07:29 PM

#393

33hard6

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Quote:

Originally Posted by As armas

Also from http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/toda...66c981c1b.html

It would not be too hard for Reid to make the case that a Reid/Kyl amendment is germane to to the cybersecurity bill. Right now americans are gaming online in an unsecure environment. Just ask anyone with $$ tied up on Full Tilt. I see no reason why Kyl would object to attachment.

Reid does not usually allow for attachment of amendments that come up for a vote. That has been a big beef the R's have had with him. But in this case he is. Why the exception this time? Its offically sweat time folks...

When is this bill supposed to be voted on? do we have any dates in mind to start our official sweat? any information is appreciated.

07-25-2012 , 07:39 PM

#394

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Berge20

Seems likely to me we'll get on the cyber bill.

07-25-2012 , 08:13 PM

#395

mapleleaf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lilprog

what kind of time frame would exist between passing and signing of the bill?

< 24 hrs.

Implementation is a different story ofc.

07-25-2012 , 09:40 PM

#396

Roush97

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So is this possibly a good enough sweat that I should get a bottle of champagne ready?

07-25-2012 , 10:28 PM

#397

DrewOnTilt

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lilprog

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapleleaf

< 24 hrs.

Implementation is a different story ofc.

I'm pretty sure that lilprog actually meant implementation. Going on language from past efforts, we could be looking at anything from 6 to 18 months, but keep in mind that this is just my personal SWAG.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roush97

So is this possibly a good enough sweat that I should get a bottle of champagne ready?

No, but you should grease up your F5 key.