Thoughts much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your replys

Your question is so vague that it's unanswerable

sorry - I meant for the states that have now passed Online Gambling Bills.

Specifically NJ and Nevada

1. A realistic tmeframe for US ONLINE POKER is "right now". There are online poker sites offering services wherever you reside in the US.

2. If you mean State-licensed sites in one or more States, I would say,

Nevada, end of June, as Caesars has finally fished or cut bait on software, dumping 888 in favor of its French provider .... whose product I've been told is good. Expect Ultimate Gaming and a couple of others to also shoot for a launch before the end of the WSOP.

New Jersey, end of September, if they grant a casino license to Stars, end of December if they do not.

Delaware, end of October, altho their vendor RFP states end of September, that figure was "always more of a guideline, than a rule" to quote Pirates of the Caribbean.

That is petty much it for 2013.

Expect another 10 more States in 2014, escpecially IF a federal bill passes to sprinkle Holy Water on multi-state compacts .... which I think a >50% chance.

10 states most likely DQ?

c'monnnnnn michigan

We've already got Indian and commercial casinos, as well as a very popular charity casino economy with over 70 active licenses.

Double republican supermajorities in the legislature with republican hawk Rick Snyder in the gov position. They've railroaded a lot of legislation through without much intra-party quibbling (from the voting anyway). I think if we can win Gov Syder over we can knock down Michigan and its 10 million people easily.

The let almost everyone in Colorado grow weed for Christ's sake. Let people play poker.

Thanks for your input - any particular reason you see Nevada up and running earlier than NJ?

You also seem to be a bit more optimistic than other people's posts I have read regarding this(have seen as long as 24 months in some cases)...if you could elaborate on why you see this happening so "quickly" I would appreciate it.

Thanks again

I reallyy hope its sometime before the end of 2013 and not 24 months!

Whoa, wait a minute, what? Where does this come from?

I've read the state watch, and haven't formed this conclusion. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying it kind of comes out of left field for me personally.

It comes from me. I look at this stuff pretty carefully, on both the casino and lottery states fronts.

I believe that still waters run deep, especially if one is handicapping the accelerated pace at which States will act once someone gets up and running.

Picking a number like 10+, for a total of 13 or more by the end of 2014 is highly feasible if there is networking involved, and the first three State movers get serious about compacting.

(I could be wrong, but the consensus was clearly wrong before, re the prospects for the oft "imminent" passage of a Federal Solution. At this point it is also somewhat interesting I find myself handicapping as 50%+ the chances of an eventual (2014 ?) Federal "multi-state compact" bill, compared to the "new consensus" that nothing Federal will happen.)

Nevada, including Caesars especially, has a specific poker benefit at a specific time, i.e. the WSOP.

New Jersey is less poker-focussed and passed a general casino-gaming law, so expect their sofware/development efforts (subject to PStars getting approved) are less poker-driven.

The operators who are partnering with established suppliers really are NOT reinventing the wheel.

I've been told by folks who look at what is currently in development that a coule of products ook really good, and these were built on long-running, experienced poker engines.

Those of us in the Midwest are curious, since the two market leaders are on opposite coasts.

Caesars Interactive Chooses Ad Agency for Online Poker Promotion

http://www.online-casinos.com/news/news2811971.asp

"The WSOP is going live later in 2013 for real money in the newly legalized jurisdiction of Nevada"

Would be nice to know peoples opinion about Missouri.

PokerXanadu posted in the sticky that NY was on his list of states known to be considering legislation. Does anyone know what source he has on that? Just curious as a NYer and I haven't heard anything, but would be thrilled to see some sort of progress. I sort of assume a compact with NJ would be coming down the road, but am desperate for any indicators.

Thanks!

Ask Mike Caro, he lives down in the Ozarks somewhere.

Missouri is a tough state to read politically for outsiders, especially for gambling issues.

where did Xandu get his information for his sticky?

guesstimates for time frame to be open seem rather optimistic..

DQ I hope you're right, even if it doesn't include my State (OH).

Well, I should say, don't count in my State...and I hope you're right.

DE: In accord with the Lottery's published RFP.

NJ: Based on requirements in the legislation and various news article quotes.

NV: Based on current status of license applications and various news article quotes.

They aren't meant to be optimistic, pessimistic, nor precise. Just going off of the data and rumors. If you want to be safe, add 6 to 12 months to each estimate for the over/under. In addition, passage of a federal bill would make it all moot.

Will states be more or less likely to join a reciprocating agreement with Nevada or New Jersey to allow internet gaming than they were to opt in to the federally bill that were proposed over past couple years?

Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have been trying to find some information about what the NJ and NV legal online poker means for the rest of us? Im in CT

thanks

joe

when did getting rid of 888 happen?

is the French software currently in play somewhere so I can take a sneak peek?

nvm, found story on calvin's site

I don't think that is the correct question to ask. It is better to ask if more or less states are likely to pass legislation authorizing Internet poker. The answer is emphatically more.

Under the federal R/K bill - the one bill over the past few years which could have been enacted - the likely opt-in states were those where Caesars and other large casino corporations operate. These same states will opt into NV/NJ. In addition, other states are likely to opt into NV/NJ, since they can opt for full online gambling, operated in their state by the vested interests of their choice (rather than the same large casino corporations).

Then you have the Lottery dominated states (e.g., Delaware). There would have been little incentive for them to opt into online poker under R/K as all they would see is their citizens' gambling dollars going to out-of-state corporations in exchange for a small revenue stream. Now they can develop their own Lottery-run online poker with compacting for interstate pooling.

Similarly, states dominated by tribal casinos (e.g., Connecticut) were likely not to opt in to the federal R/K system for the same reason as the Lottery-dominated states. Why open the door to out-of-state competition for the resident gambling dollars? Of course, unlike state Lotteries, those tribes would then have the opportunity to compete in the national online poker market, but I don't think the piece of the pie they might capture would entice them to want to offer up their own in-state pie to looting.

On the flip side, we will have to deal with a much more fractured market for many years on this state-by-state route. But that is offset by the blackout period that would have been created under R/K, the length of which would have been in reality rather indeterminate. Besides the 15-month blackout dictated by the provisions of the bill, there were so many legal issues left unresolved by the bill (commerce clause, states rights, tribal sovereignty, international trade agreements) that litigation was likely to tie it up for much much longer.

Could a moderator Sticky this post, please?

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