Sorry, I am the last person to run for anything. Also, since I have a law degree I am disqualified because too many politicians hold law degrees. We have long since passed our quota (which some would argue should have been zero).

You won't get the status quo with the Republicans....

So who are you going to vote for that keeps our status quo?

I have about 3000 posts here where I say online poker is lawful and is not included in the Wire Act. I've added this language to every PPA member letter to Congress as well.

HR 4411 would have changed federal law to make most online gaming illegal. Testimony at the time made it clear that lawmakers thought they were outlawing interstate online poker as well as other gaming (there is a technicality in that the bill limited the law to games predominantly subject to chance...poker may won in court, but that's a big if, especially as Congress was on record as wishing to prohibit poker). When I wrote of our loss, I was referring to losing that vote in the House 317-93.

HR 4411 was watered down when it became UIGEA. The provisions to amend the Wire Act were removed, such that it merely prohibited financial transactions for activities that were already unlawful. While we don't believe that includes poker, we're at great risk of overblocking. Surely you're not expecting banks to accept federal felony indictments to fight this for us, are you? Epassorte didn't fight back...why would Citibank or Chase?

Aside from that, I'd say we lost a lot with UIGEA in that we lost Neteller, PartyPoker, and a lot of fish.

I'm not sure why you think we're golden, but no site agrees....they're all lobbying for the Wexler bill and IGREA.

I miss Neteller (had to sweat 8 months to get my money) and Epassporte too forcing me to only play PS,FT and Prima whom i trust for cash outs
Bodog as i am sure you are well aware is primarily a Sports Betting site with some poker( lousy software i might add).
Fugitive from Justice Calvin Ayre famously thumbed his nose at the DOJ for years and brought the wrath of the DOJ upon himself and all the DOJ managed to do was shut down one payment processor kinda encouraging amiright

and for the record Schwallie there is no proof that McCain or Obama will "change" the status quo. A vote for Obama is a vote to ruin our economy with a trillion dollars in additional taxes. McCain will cut taxes even further than current rates

John Adams was a lawyer JP

Obama cuts taxes more than McCain does until you make more than $111,645.


Not to mention McCain's plan would add $1 trillion more to the national debt than Obama's plan.

ignorance is bliss. also, you morans stop insulting TE, the only one doing anything about anything.

From what I can tell the economy is worse now than at any point in my lifetime. (Possibly a professional economist would say there was a worse period in the late 70s.) It's might be too late for Obama to "ruin our economy."

[QUOTE=otatop;6044184]Obama cuts taxes more than McCain does until you make more than $111,645.


give me a break! everyone knows rich people hire high priced tax lawyers to hide their money! how much did Ted Kennedy pay in taxes last year?? Nice propaganda to exclude Obama's cap gains tax increase, let alone Obama's health care burden that will force employer's to cut jobs look at Detroit with the Big Three's legacy costs no wonder they need a bailout and don't forget Obama raising social security rates by 9%. The deficits are due to spending like drunken sailors on BOTH sides of the aisle.
It is a fact that Bush's tax cuts doubled receipts. McCain will veto pork barrel projects and cut entitlements. I hope McCain cuts 10% off all department budgets except the military and let his cabinet officers figure out how to make due.


Thank You TE for all your efforts I just wish the PPA had more
committee members that had the players interest at heart rather than the sites and B&M casinos like you do

Then why when polled recently are 92% of Americans satisfied with their economic situation??? you got any place better you know of to move to???

You have a source for this? You may well be right, but when I did a quick google for recent economic polls I found the following:

A poll of CFOs who believe we're in a recession and won't start to improve economically until at least late 2009 ( http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2008/03/cfo.html )

A CNN poll from March where 75% of those polled thought the economic situation at the time was poor although 60% thought things would be improving to "good" sometime in 2009. ( http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/21/news...poll/index.htm ).

On the subject of moving, no, I don't. But If they could fix the winter climate in Alberta I'd give serious consideration to Calgary or Edmonton.

LOL at 92% of Americans satisfie with their economic situation --

Does this mean only how they are off, or how the economy is? Their economic situation isn't the economy. Also, who the hell are the polling? 92% lol.

Also, you are getting off topic.

Obama is better for online gambling, clearly. McCain is worse for online gambling, also clearly.

Thanks for trying to bring this thread back on point Schwallie.

IMHO, the differences between Obama and McCain on issues like Foreign policy and the Economy are relatively small. I think anyone who believes either of the two will destroy the country are either irrational, uninformed, or just baiting the other other side.

But on issues of personal freedom, the difference is large and obvious: McCain and Palin are clearly tied to the Religious Right and its agenda. There can be no doubt that when it comes to issues like the freedom to play online poker, Obama/Biden is the better choice.

For me thats enough to give Obama my vote (admittedly along with other considerations), if its not enough for you, so be it. Just dont fool yourself into thinking that your vote for McCain will NOT hurt the cause of openly legal online poker in the US.

Skallagrim

lol at this but I was close

http://www.gallup.com/poll/103483/Mo...nal-Lives.aspx

would you like some cheese with your whine?

go ahead and vote for Obama but you wont have anyone to play with because he will kill our economy just like Jimmy Carter did with high taxes, an 18% interest rate currently around 4% and chase capitol out of out markets into better investments that will not be taxed on gains higher anywhere else in the world if Obama gets his way
We will be just like socialist no growth Europe with a 50% tax burden

don't feed the trolls

Say what? 'Satisfied with Personal Lives' is very different from 'Satisfied with Economic Situation'. Not very close.

Yeah, this is precisely the kind of slippery slope speculation that most people tend to have against Obama. (and liberals in general) I'm 100% sure I can't change your vote, so I won't try.

If someone comes here and says 'I'd really like to make a vote that would help poker, but I can't get past Obama's policies on x, y, z', or 'I heard [this] about Obama' then I will try to address those concerns.

And there are many situations where it would just make sense to vote McCain. I am not going to tell a farmer, or a career military officer, or a CEO making 1 mill a year to vote for Obama. I totally understand that McCain is the better choice for these people.

But if you're a teacher, store manager, young business professional, or even an engineer like me, I really think you can vote for Obama, help the poker cause, and even improve your personal economic situation as well. There are a lot of distortions, misconceptions and outright lies out there that have mislead people though- as we can tell from a number of threads in this forum - and it just bothers me to much to let them all slide without saying something.

Sorry CJ, you were a couple minutes too late.

And I have no self-control.

Would you like some truth with your lies?

I mean, wtf? You just linked something about personal lives, to prove how you were right with economy.

"because he will kill our economy"

Lol, many would contend there isn't much economy left to kill. G.W. has already taken care of most of that.

Edit: Sorry Cactus. It is pretty obvious he isn't being truthful, he is just trying to troll and get under people's skin instead of actually arguing the topic at hand.

Feel free to argue more over Obama's vs McCain's stance on online gaming, or feel free to continue your discussion on this side in the politics forum. We are in poker legislation.

Neither do I. Like I said to Tommy Angelo yesterday, they are like bug zappers and I'm drawn into the blue light to a fatal conclusion.

I can resist the most obv, and this one is past the point of no return.

Enforcement of the current UIGEA is crucial. This seems like a nearly impossible task and one that would cost significant amounts of money. Add to that the outlook of the banking industry as a whole and it seems unlikely for Obama, someone who plays live poker, to go out of his way to design or promote an elaborate plan to get us to stop playing poker. That is unless he is swayed in this direction by someone influential to him (such as Meg Whitman and McCain).

The real issue in all of this is Jon Kyl. He's probably McCain's closest ally in the Senate, except for possibly Lindsay Graham. While on-line gambling may not be a priority to McCain or even on his radar screen, can anyone really believe that he'd antagonize Kyl over (to him) a non-issue like this? There can be ZERO doubt that McCain's Justice Dept would heed Kyl's entreaties and would take steps to enforce the UIGEA at least as vigorously as Bush has, and probably more so.

True, Obama is a wild card and, based on his record, would probably not be overly favorable to gambling interests. But his statements on changing the focus of the "War on Drugs" indicate that he's at least got some common sense when it comes to issues of personal choice and morality. And now that Edwards has mercifully been removed from any consideration for AG, there is no one in his party who will care if he directs the Justice Dept to use its limited resources to address real priorities, like, I don't know, say the war on terror.

Obama is not going to win, so the courts are the only option that we have left.

Vote Bob Barr and the Libertarian Party as he is the only candidate that I can trust to get the government out of poker.

Interesting you say that since great political minds I listen to, are not even sure right now.

Agreed on the Bob Barr by the way, I am not sure the Obama has earned my vote.

That's just too weird for words. Bob Barr has earned your vote? By being one of those nitwits who did everything they could to impeach Bill Clinton?

Bob Barr is the only candidate that has spoken plainly about online poker and other libertarian issues that I care about.

I would have liked to see president Bill convicted; he was impeached, which refers to the House proceeding to confirm that the charges merit a trial in the Senate. Perhaps you should bone up on your civics in the Politics Forum.

The One has not graced us with his position on internet poker and has an anti-gambling background. I would have more interest to support the "gift from God" if he would only utter something to the effect that could be reasonably construed as a pledge not to veto legislation that would exempt poker from the evil Wire Act. Alas, he is too busy spouting adolescent nonsense to do so.

The Palin choice makes McCain unpalatable to me.

At least you got something right. Dunno how she is palatable to anyone not of the 26% of the population that calls itself religious.

I know the difference between impeachment and conviction. Barr was a member of the House and on the committee that pushed for impeachment. Most people don't know the difference. I assumed you didn't.