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mother ****ing **** ****s......... it sounds like he is not going to sign the bill..... he answered the question directly...saying i think this bill actually drives people away from AC....... and 2nd he is scared he will create a 2nd generation of problem gamblers......but he says he is still up in the air on it and will look closely at the bill in the next couple of days

01-22-2013 , 08:51 PM

#1252

njpokerplayer24

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our only hope imo is if he some how forgets about it

01-22-2013 , 09:24 PM

#1253

They Took My Jerb

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I never liked Christie, and a lot of it has to do with his weight. I mean cmon if he cant even take care of himself to keep healthy and prolong his life, how on earth is he going to help others?? Im not trolling just making observations, thats just how i see things. And him saying that he doesnt want to create more problem gamblers, like seriously??? You cant blame yourself for these things, degenerates gamblers can blame themselves for their own problems. I can't stand politicians, they are the real life trolls.

01-22-2013 , 09:28 PM

#1254

OneOut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by They Took My Jerb

I never liked Christie, and a lot of it has to do with his weight. I mean cmon if he cant even take care of himself to keep healthy and prolong his life, how on earth is he going to help others??

While I'm guessing your response is kind of in jest, it might actually make some sense that with his own addiction to eating and food he'd figure that people can't help themselves in the same way when it comes to gambling.

01-22-2013 , 09:35 PM

#1255

They Took My Jerb

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OneOut

It was kinda tongue in cheek, but now you are on to something. Lets just hope he passes this bill. Christie would rather run other peoples lives, then just leave everyone alone and life his own life, but no, these politicians are power hungry megalomaniacs.

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01-22-2013 , 10:13 PM

#1256

testcase

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Quote:

Originally Posted by raradevils

Let me know how the meeting goes. I was down at the "B" all week last week so I'm too backed-up at work to be able to join everyone.

Is anybody going. I am too caught up at work but am thinking of going, if we do not have enough people I may try harder to go. And Rich why don't you just post the NJ meeting here and let people email you who are able to come. How many do we need/want/have?

01-22-2013 , 10:40 PM

#1257

Boney526

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Originally Posted by njpokerplayer24

Darn.... There goes my summer plans.

There's still some hope, though, I guess.

01-22-2013 , 10:56 PM

#1258

LT22

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What did he say? Veto is different than not signing.

01-22-2013 , 11:03 PM

#1259

Duck Rabbit

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I know he said he hasn't made a final decision yet, but given his comments, I can't imagine him signing it. He didn't make one positive comment about it.

01-22-2013 , 11:05 PM

#1260

Duck Rabbit

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And by not signing, I mean veto.

01-22-2013 , 11:08 PM

#1261

Duck Rabbit

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Was this a complete about face?

He didn't have issues with the problem gambling issue before (or at least it wasn't the reason he vetoed).

And I thought he was in favor or online gaming in NJ and wanted NJ to be the 'epicenter' of online gaming/poker. Can anyone find past articles citing this?

01-22-2013 , 11:14 PM

#1262

LT22

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2016 presidential election. I hate politics. Can't do what you want, have to appeal to the masses of your 19th century party.

01-22-2013 , 11:33 PM

#1263

OneOut

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Yes, this does seem to be change of heart. Either "someone" got to him or he didn't think we were serious the first time and he wouldn't have to deal with it again so just said whatever to make him not look like the bad guy when he originally vetoed.

01-22-2013 , 11:39 PM

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GMan42

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It could easily be some behind-the-scenes **** that we'll never know about. One thing I can say for sure, next time I feel like exercising my "gambling problem" to play some live poker, I'll be damn sure to head up to CT or out to PA. Atlantic City can burn down for all I care.

01-22-2013 , 11:41 PM

#1265

Rich Muny

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Quote:

Originally Posted by testcase

We are looking for five to eight people to attend. I didn't post it initially because I expected to get that many attendees pretty easily. That's not proven to be the case.

So, we have a meeting set up with Gov. Christie's office on Tuesday, January 29th at 2 pm. The plan is for everyone to meet up in Trenton at noon (for a pre-meeting) and to be done at 3 pm.

New Jersey residents who wish to attend should PM me. Thanks!

01-23-2013 , 02:57 AM

#1266

Gags30

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Would love to be able to go, but it's day 2 of the borgata wpt, so I can't commit to going yet. If I lose on monday ill certainly be there though

01-23-2013 , 03:39 AM

#1267

sba9630

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Originally Posted by DonkeyQuixote

Don't sweat it.

Uh, I'm not.

Quote:

Whatever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by midas

I think you are over reaching here.

Par for the course.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LT22

2016 presidential election...

Christie has NO chance. Democrats could stay home and sit on their hands. Republicans, especially certain segments of the party, think he is a traitor (re: praise for Obama).

He can't reform himself and kiss enough ass in the next four years to have a shot at being nominated.

01-23-2013 , 05:47 AM

#1268

daveh07

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So now New Jersey might be a no go on poker? Fuuu i hate politics so much.

01-23-2013 , 08:12 AM

#1269

raradevils

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What did I miss? I get a PM late in the day that I'm suppose to call a number and request to speak with Christie. Timing of PM was soooo late. If we knew he was going to be on the show why the lateness of the PM? PPA needs better organization/responsiveness. We all have jobs that may take us away from these threads for 1-2 days. There has to be a better way to get the word out.

01-23-2013 , 08:54 AM

#1270

sofocused978

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheEngineer

So, we have a meeting set up with Gov. Christie's office on Tuesday, January 29th at 2 pm. The plan is for everyone to meet up in Trenton at noon (for a pre-meeting) and to be done at 3 pm.

New Jersey residents who wish to attend should PM me. Thanks!

You meeting with "the boss" or his staffers?

01-23-2013 , 10:17 AM

#1271

Duck Rabbit

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If he vetoes, what does this do to the state by state approach? If NJ won't approve online poker, who will? Ugh, so sick of this. Same thing year after year.

01-23-2013 , 10:34 AM

#1272

GMan42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Duck Rabbit

If he vetoes, what does this do to the state by state approach? If NJ won't approve online poker, who will? Ugh, so sick of this. Same thing year after year.

That's what worries me, I think this was the tipping point for maybe getting things done right. Now I worry that we'll wind up with a fairly well-run system in NV that has no player base so it's seen as a failure, and CA launching some protectionist bill with a mandatory $4 drop per hand and criminal penalties for playing elsewhere...but everyone there will play anyway, and it'll be seen as the model for everyone else to follow.

01-23-2013 , 11:14 AM

#1273

tamiller866

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DiamondFlush's view, cross posted from the NVG thread:

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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush

I think everyone is jumping to pessimistic conclusions way too fast here.

What did you really expect him to say? What a great idea it is? You have to remember he has not signed the bill yet. If he makes the statements you want, there is no more reason to delay, and he would have signed by now. If he is a proponent, he may still be getting ducks in a row. If his truly opposes the bill, he likely would have already nixxed it. There is little or no upside for him to go on the record positively before he signs, except to make us feel more confident, which is unimportant to him in the big scheme of things.

The reasons he brought up are exactly those that have been used by those that oppose the bill (yes, there are those politicians, lobbyists and others that really don't want it to pass!). He now went on the record that he is considering their arguments, as he should.

If you allow gaming at all, there is always the chance that degens are born. NJ is no exception, but certainly not the only place. This happens in brick and mortars all over the country, so it's not really a valid argument imo. People gamble their paychecks every week. The casinos are busier in the beginning of the month after senior citizens get their social security or pension checks! But bars are always more crowded on paydays too, do you reinstitute prohibition because some people drink away their paychecks every week in the local pubs?

The people that might be staying away from AC to play on their laptops, already are. They wont be staying away from brick and mortar AC to be gaming online, but they might be staying away from other casinos in other states to do so, by physically staying in NJ. People also will be traveling TO New Jersey in order to partake legally. The upside is increased revenue, not only for the gaming taxes and employment in AC, but the increased "tourism" value across the state as well.

The arguments against approval are easy to counter, but he has to let it be known that they are considered. It would be political suicide to do anything else.

01-23-2013 , 12:22 PM

#1274

Duck Rabbit

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I respect DiamondFlush, so that's good to hear I guess.

I just think that if he were seriously considering signing it, he would have brought up some of the benefits as well. It seems like he painted himself in a corner by saying it won't bring people to AC and will cause increase problem gambling. If he signs, and there aren't any safeguards/contingencies for problem gambling, won't he be heavily ridiculed?

Let's hope we're just being overly pessimistic.

01-23-2013 , 12:22 PM

#1275

jmurjeff

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheEngineer

I am willing to go. I hope that the Governor decides that allowing Online Poker in New Jersey will help New Jersey be first in this regard for U.S. Poker.

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