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Old 07-26-2011, 08:38 AM   #1
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NJ online poker legislation (passed) (sites listed in OP)

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...s_have_th.html

Sites operated by Atlantic City casinos, with licensing approval for service provider partners:
Sites available at soft launch:
Borgata / bwin.party (PartyPoker) via http://www.theborgata.com/forms/online-games/sign-up or http://poker.theborgata.com/download.html, and http://nj.partypoker.com/ (shared player pool)
Caesar’s/ 888 Holdings (888Poker) via www.wsop.com and www.888poker.com (not shared player pool)
Tropicana / Gamesys via https://www.tropicanacasino.com/ (poker expected in Q1 2014 on proprietary software)
Trump Plaza / Betfair (Ongame) via www.letsplaynj.com
Trump Taj Mahal / Ultimate Gaming (UltimatePoker) via www.ucasino.com
Golden Nugget / Amaya and Bally Technology (Ongame) via www.goldennuggetpoker.com (shared player pool with Trump Plaza/Betfair)

Sites not available at soft launch:
Resorts / Rational Entertainment (Full Tilt Poker and/or Pokerstars)

AC casinos that haven't yet applied for an Internet gaming permit:
Revel
Atlantic Club

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Old 07-26-2011, 09:37 AM   #2
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Re: Is NJ going to renew a push for instate Ipoker?

If this looks like the bill that almost passed earlier this year, I really hope we all get behind it and support it.
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:42 AM   #3
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Re: Is NJ going to renew a push for instate Ipoker?

So do I. This could force a faster time table at the federal level if a state were to pass a viable piece of legislation!!
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:00 AM   #4
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If this looks like the bill that almost passed earlier this year, I really hope we all get behind it and support it.
Actually the NJ iGambling bill did pass, but was vetoed by Christie, supposedly because he was concerned about its legality, but more likely because of "outside influences", plus he wants to be president someday, so he has to "think federal".
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:30 AM   #5
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Re: Is NJ going to renew a push for instate Ipoker?

The wait is on til November! I have a good feeling about this after I read that a lot of other states are getting ready to introduce their own intrastate gambling laws. I'm hoping that if states pass their own gambling laws, Congress will open their eyes, and get a federal bill going that would legalize online poker nationwide.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:45 PM   #6
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The wait is on til November! I have a good feeling about this after I read that a lot of other states are getting ready to introduce their own intrastate gambling laws. I'm hoping that if states pass their own gambling laws, Congress will open their eyes, and get a federal bill going that would legalize online poker nationwide.
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:35 PM   #7
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Re: Is NJ going to renew a push for instate Ipoker?

I'm glad Harry Reid and Caesars are aware of the prime importance of massive playerpools to make poker sites successful. and that they'll block this and all other intrastate leg and jam a federal system onto all these turkeys.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:51 PM   #8
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Re: Is NJ going to renew a push for instate Ipoker?

Just like with the CA bill, I'm surprised (to say the least) this gets any support here... What am I missing?

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Old 07-26-2011, 04:22 PM   #9
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Just like with the CA bill, I'm surprised (to say the least) this gets any support here... What am I missing?
(1) Threat of state legislation may spur on federal legislation.

(2) Federal legislation may NEVER happen in our lifetimes.
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:24 PM   #10
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Actually the NJ iGambling bill did pass, but was vetoed by Christie, supposedly because he was concerned about its legality, but more likely because of "outside influences", plus he wants to be president someday, so he has to "think federal".
I meant passed as signed into law, I know the background.

I know the PPA was neutral on this bill earlier in the year, and it was understandable. Post Black Friday I would hope the PPA supports the bill and works towards its passage. Its the best state bill we've seen that has a chance of passing.
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:26 PM   #11
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Just like with the CA bill, I'm surprised (to say the least) this gets any support here... What am I missing?
This bill was much better for players than the CA bill. Some one else can better fill in the details, but didnt require opting out from a Federal bill and didnt have criminal penalties against players as a starter. Also, IIRC, was a more open market than the CA bill.
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:29 PM   #12
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I'm glad Harry Reid and Caesars are aware of the prime importance of massive playerpools to make poker sites successful. and that they'll block this and all other intrastate leg and jam a federal system onto all these turkeys.
I dont remember the NJ bill having an automatic Federal opt-out, so the two arent exclusive.

NJ has nearly as many people as Sweden, which IIRC has viable i-poker. If NJ can have viable i-poker, should they automatically wait for a Federal bill that may never come? Especially if they could opt-in to that if intrastate doesnt work for them?
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:10 PM   #13
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Re: Is NJ going to renew a push for instate Ipoker?

The NJ bill was for all of iGaming - specifically, everything AC has (craps, roulette, BJ, ...). The same people behind it are also trying to get sports betting, despite the Federal ban on legalization of sports betting.

As far as the poker goes, there would only be one network - different sites could compete only with promotions.
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:22 PM   #14
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That's the Swedish model, isnt it?

Hey if NJ players are against this, that's cool. I thought most NJ players on here wanted it to pass, but I could be wrong.
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:32 PM   #15
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(1) Threat of state legislation may spur on federal legislation.

(2) Federal legislation may NEVER happen in our lifetimes.
I guess what I meant to say is that both (1) and (2) are very unlikely to happen. But if there is no "OPT OUT" option I guess there's no downside, unless if the whole thing's successful, and it becomes HUGELY profitable to the NJ as a state as opposed to on the Fed level.
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Old 07-26-2011, 06:01 PM   #16
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Re: Is NJ going to renew a push for instate Ipoker?

Caesars, with the PPA standing by as before, will do everything possible to oppose any State level legalization, whether in NJ or elsewhere, whether by rival gaminginterests or lotteries, whether by legislation or executive authority.

THAT should be clear; We've been there before, guys.

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Old 07-26-2011, 06:22 PM   #17
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Caesars, with the PPA standing by as before, will do everything possible to oppose any State level legalization, whether in NJ or elsewhere, whether by rival gaminginterests or lotteries, whether by legislation or executive authority.

THAT should be clear; We've been there before, guys.
Except if nothing comes out of this congress at the Federal level, the states are not going to wait. And Caesar's isn't gonna be able to stop it then. It's now or never for the Feds.
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Old 07-26-2011, 07:20 PM   #18
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Except if nothing comes out of this congress at the Federal level, the states are not going to wait. And Caesar's isn't gonna be able to stop it then. It's now or never for the Feds.
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Not to mention that we probably have the most favorable Congress setup right now. Reid as Senate leader being totally with us, the anti gambling Pelosi out of power in the House, and Obama who won't veto something Reid approves. All 3 could easily flip control in 2012 so it really is now or never.
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Old 07-26-2011, 07:29 PM   #19
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Re: Is NJ going to renew a push for instate Ipoker?

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I dont remember the NJ bill having an automatic Federal opt-out, so the two arent exclusive.

NJ has nearly as many people as Sweden, which IIRC has viable i-poker. If NJ can have viable i-poker, should they automatically wait for a Federal bill that may never come? Especially if they could opt-in to that if intrastate doesnt work for them?
my apologies, i was not privy to the federal opt-in option. that absolutely makes it much more palatable.

however i'm still very wary of intrastate ipoker beyond opting out of federal playerpools, because it seems that (imo) it'll be much easier for states to change (raise) the taxing scheme as time goes on.

i really don't want my livelihood in the hands of some short-sighted bureaucrat or ignorant politician when the intrastate system comes up for renewal and the schools are short 200 mil on the budget or something. i mean i'm looking at the california bill and that's where they're STARTING...
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Im very leery of them as well, NJ is the only one Ive seen that seems worth trying. I COMPLETELY agree with you about the risk of intrastate systems and budget deficits, etc.

I would feel better if I was more sure a Federal bill would be better. I asked Fairplay if games should be beatable, the response was basically "poker has to be +EV ignoring the rake". Asked if they thought a Federal system could have pro players, havent heard back.

I just think all we have are ****ty options at this point, so a decent bill (no player penalties, no forced opt-out) with a big population supported by players in that state, Im all for.
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Old 07-26-2011, 08:52 PM   #21
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my apologies, i was not privy to the federal opt-in option. that absolutely makes it much more palatable.

however i'm still very wary of intrastate ipoker beyond opting out of federal playerpools, because it seems that (imo) it'll be much easier for states to change (raise) the taxing scheme as time goes on.

i really don't want my livelihood in the hands of some short-sighted bureaucrat or ignorant politician when the intrastate system comes up for renewal and the schools are short 200 mil on the budget or something. i mean i'm looking at the california bill and that's where they're STARTING...
I'm guessing you don't think that can ever happen at the federal level I have yet to see a tax that they don't try to increase have you?

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Old 07-26-2011, 08:55 PM   #22
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Re: Is NJ going to renew a push for instate Ipoker?

At the present moment we don't have much access to ipoker. If this passes it is a step in the right direction. This may be the first step but at least it is headed in the right direction. I was for this when it first came up last year. I continue to be for it now.
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I remember debating this with the PPA folks when this was first going around. People were against it. I remember saying tunes will chance if something ever happens to the major sites... well, tunes are going to change about this.

Federal legislation/the perfect bill the PPA wants is not going to happen anytime soon. NJ does this, you think Nevada is going to stand for it? Or half the others states that have forms of gambling and want the revenue?

Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce the domino theory. We need to knock over a couple of them, and it'll seem insignificant or counter productive, but in the end, people will get on board.
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So who wants to guess at the Vegas odds on this thing?
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Old 07-27-2011, 01:07 AM   #25
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I'm guessing you don't think that can ever happen at the federal level I have yet to see a tax that they don't try to increase have you?
i still believe it's more difficult to make changes on the federal level than the state. federal gvt has evolved beyond "budgets".
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