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Old 03-09-2017, 03:43 AM   #26
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Re: Michigan Legal Online Poker

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LOL at 'amazing' offshore online poker sites available to US players.
Yeah there's sites where players can make a living currently. Michigan legal poker will be like the other states. Except ran by local casinos.

I bet u don't even play poker seriously. If u talk to any good professionals they know this is going to ruin the games. Playing on current sites you can make alot if money.
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Old 03-09-2017, 01:58 PM   #27
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Re: Michigan Legal Online Poker. Hearing 3/8 starting at 1pm ET.

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Yeah there's sites where players can make a living currently. Michigan legal poker will be like the other states. Except ran by local casinos.
Gotta admit he's got a pretty valid point. Without some kind of state-compacts and legalized states pressuring other states that are currently on the fence(like your neighbors here in IL ), the whole state-by-state strategy is actually leaving many poker players worse off for indefinite amounts of time. Blackouts and ring-fencing are simply unacceptable. There's a 13-page PPA document to the PA General Assembly with 0 mention of the need for compacts/shared player pools, yet they spend their first page or two highlighting offshore sites and throwing them under the bus.

One of the worst things the PPA could do right now is draw even more negative government attention to the offshore sites for pretty much 0 net gains, I mean seriously come on put some thought into it next time(or better yet, maybe get some real online poker players in the PPA). Yes the Lock/FullFlush scandals hurt, but those were a very small part of overall online traffic (understandably, your writers left that fact out) and it's common sense in the online poker community not to leave a huge part of your roll on such small/obscure sites...especially for extended periods of time.

And then seeing Rich lol at the offshore sites is kinda disappointing to see. I figured him and the PPA would defend bitcoin and the increasingly P2P online poker player pools for a number of reasons, but mainly just on principle alone lol. They may not be perfect, but hey it's at least something for now. And they can be quite competitive sometimes, so they provide many good examples for future legal sites to follow. Things like which game formats/rake structures/promotions etc. seem to work and which ones simply don't.

Also (even if you strongly disagree with these sites) it's interesting to note that most of the offshore sites/skins have merged their player pools as much as possible into a few main pools that compete for customers. When crafting legislation regarding legal online poker, lawmakers should take careful note of this. The legal sites will need access to as large of a player pool as possible and at least 3 main operators...no amayastars monopoly with a couple tiny sites tied to some random casino.
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Old 03-09-2017, 02:26 PM   #28
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Re: Michigan Legal Online Poker. Hearing 3/8 starting at 1pm ET.

Rich isn't a poker player hes a wannabe politician. Maybe at one time he was a grinder like 8 years ago or something. He has no clue about what someone making a living from this game wants now. Hes a salaried worker.

I don't live in Michigan full time but I do for about 4 months a year. My boys at home in Michigan play for a living same as me. Their sweating these laws because they play poker to feed themselves. Rich is hating on poker sites that have been paying the bills for pro players for over 5 years now.

Mark my words when regulations keep coming it's going to make online poker garbage. Theirs going to be a time 5 years from now everybody is talking about how great poker was in the ignition wpn days. I've been playing cards for a living for about 12 years I want what's best for the game to. Regulations aren't good for players there good for government.

I can adjust and just live out the country full time to make my cash. I got friends at home who don't have that luxury.
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Old 03-09-2017, 02:50 PM   #29
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Re: Michigan Legal Online Poker. Hearing 3/8 starting at 1pm ET.

Also since u like to lol at the offshore sites that have been providing a living and entertainment to tons of players since black Friday. I'd like to lol the Ppa which I donated 300 dollars to. You've done nothing for poker but make usa online poker worse. Lol Ppa.
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Old 03-09-2017, 03:23 PM   #30
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Re: Michigan Legal Online Poker

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Yeah there's sites where players can make a living currently. Michigan legal poker will be like the other states. Except ran by local casinos.

I bet u don't even play poker seriously. If u talk to any good professionals they know this is going to ruin the games. Playing on current sites you can make alot if money.
I played full time until Black Friday.

You need to see it from my end, where people who lost their money ask what PPA can do for them. Actually, you can browse 2+2 for plenty of that.

You can hope for the best with the offshore game all you want, but we shouldn't have to hide. We should demand that our lawmakers let us play. Compacting will come, but we have to do the work to get there.
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Old 03-09-2017, 03:24 PM   #31
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Re: Michigan Legal Online Poker. Hearing 3/8 starting at 1pm ET.

Anyway, this isn't the thread to discuss status quo vs. licensed poker. Please start a new thread for that topic.
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Old 03-09-2017, 03:24 PM   #32
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Re: Michigan Legal Online Poker. Hearing 3/8 starting at 1pm ET.

The Mi hearing video archive is at https://misenate.viebit.com/player.p...h=kLEpx4hcXzki
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Old 03-16-2017, 11:53 PM   #33
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http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(pue...e=2017-SB-0202
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Old 04-11-2017, 03:14 AM   #34
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Saw yesterday (via PokerScout) that the state now intends to only allow online gambling inside casinos. Is this right? Or has the author of the article linked to by PokerScout (http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...ut-only-inside) misunderstood the situation?
I donīt see anything on OPR about this and heard nothing from the PPA. Can anybody shed some light?

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Old 04-11-2017, 06:46 AM   #35
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Re: Michigan Legal Online Poker

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Saw yesterday (via PokerScout) that the state now intends to only allow online gambling inside casinos. Is this right? Or has the author of the article linked to by PokerScout (http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...ut-only-inside) misunderstood the situation?
I donīt see anything on OPR about this and heard nothing from the PPA. Can anybody shed some light?

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No, they misunderstand. The bill says:

"An internet wager received by an internet gaming licensee is considered to be gambling or gaming that is conducted in the licensee's casino located in this state, regardless of the authorized participant's location at the time the participant places the internet wager."

In other words, it's saying that the wagering takes place where the server is located (the casino), and not where the player is located. This gets around the state constitutional requirement for a constitutional amendment to expand gaming in the state, since casinos are already authorized to conduct gaming.

This won't bar anyone from playing from anywhere in the state. It just requires that the gaming servers are located at the casinos.
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Old 04-11-2017, 06:53 AM   #36
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Thanks Xanadu,
That is pretty much how I interpreted it without any source showing that amendments were being proposed. I guess PokerScout go by the headlines of the stories suggested to them without checking their accuracy or authenticity.
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