Yeah there's sites where players can make a living currently. Michigan legal poker will be like the other states. Except ran by local casinos.

I bet u don't even play poker seriously. If u talk to any good professionals they know this is going to ruin the games. Playing on current sites you can make alot if money.

Gotta admit he's got a pretty valid point. Without some kind of state-compacts and legalized states pressuring other states that are currently on the fence(like your neighbors here in IL ), the whole state-by-state strategy is actually leaving many poker players worse off for indefinite amounts of time. Blackouts and ring-fencing are simply unacceptable. There's a 13-page PPA document to the PA General Assembly with 0 mention of the need for compacts/shared player pools, yet they spend their first page or two highlighting offshore sites and throwing them under the bus.

One of the worst things the PPA could do right now is draw even more negative government attention to the offshore sites for pretty much 0 net gains, I mean seriously come on put some thought into it next time(or better yet, maybe get some real online poker players in the PPA). Yes the Lock/FullFlush scandals hurt, but those were a very small part of overall online traffic (understandably, your writers left that fact out) and it's common sense in the online poker community not to leave a huge part of your roll on such small/obscure sites...especially for extended periods of time.

And then seeing Rich lol at the offshore sites is kinda disappointing to see. I figured him and the PPA would defend bitcoin and the increasingly P2P online poker player pools for a number of reasons, but mainly just on principle alone lol. They may not be perfect, but hey it's at least something for now. And they can be quite competitive sometimes, so they provide many good examples for future legal sites to follow. Things like which game formats/rake structures/promotions etc. seem to work and which ones simply don't.

Also (even if you strongly disagree with these sites) it's interesting to note that most of the offshore sites/skins have merged their player pools as much as possible into a few main pools that compete for customers. When crafting legislation regarding legal online poker, lawmakers should take careful note of this. The legal sites will need access to as large of a player pool as possible and at least 3 main operators...no amayastars monopoly with a couple tiny sites tied to some random casino.

Rich isn't a poker player hes a wannabe politician. Maybe at one time he was a grinder like 8 years ago or something. He has no clue about what someone making a living from this game wants now. Hes a salaried worker.

I don't live in Michigan full time but I do for about 4 months a year. My boys at home in Michigan play for a living same as me. Their sweating these laws because they play poker to feed themselves. Rich is hating on poker sites that have been paying the bills for pro players for over 5 years now.

Mark my words when regulations keep coming it's going to make online poker garbage. Theirs going to be a time 5 years from now everybody is talking about how great poker was in the ignition wpn days. I've been playing cards for a living for about 12 years I want what's best for the game to. Regulations aren't good for players there good for government.

I can adjust and just live out the country full time to make my cash. I got friends at home who don't have that luxury.

Also since u like to lol at the offshore sites that have been providing a living and entertainment to tons of players since black Friday. I'd like to lol the Ppa which I donated 300 dollars to. You've done nothing for poker but make usa online poker worse. Lol Ppa.

I played full time until Black Friday.

You need to see it from my end, where people who lost their money ask what PPA can do for them. Actually, you can browse 2+2 for plenty of that.

You can hope for the best with the offshore game all you want, but we shouldn't have to hide. We should demand that our lawmakers let us play. Compacting will come, but we have to do the work to get there.

Anyway, this isn't the thread to discuss status quo vs. licensed poker. Please start a new thread for that topic.

The Mi hearing video archive is at https://misenate.viebit.com/player.p...h=kLEpx4hcXzki

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(pue...e=2017-SB-0202

Saw yesterday (via PokerScout) that the state now intends to only allow online gambling inside casinos. Is this right? Or has the author of the article linked to by PokerScout (http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...ut-only-inside) misunderstood the situation?
I don´t see anything on OPR about this and heard nothing from the PPA. Can anybody shed some light?

Thanks

No, they misunderstand. The bill says:

"An internet wager received by an internet gaming licensee is considered to be gambling or gaming that is conducted in the licensee's casino located in this state, regardless of the authorized participant's location at the time the participant places the internet wager."

In other words, it's saying that the wagering takes place where the server is located (the casino), and not where the player is located. This gets around the state constitutional requirement for a constitutional amendment to expand gaming in the state, since casinos are already authorized to conduct gaming.

This won't bar anyone from playing from anywhere in the state. It just requires that the gaming servers are located at the casinos.

Thanks Xanadu,
That is pretty much how I interpreted it without any source showing that amendments were being proposed. I guess PokerScout go by the headlines of the stories suggested to them without checking their accuracy or authenticity.

House votes to change charity gambling rules after crackdown

Michigan lawmakers bet big with plan to legalize online gambling

The Michigan Senate late Thursday approved sweeping legislation that would expand legal gambling by allowing internet gaming through Detroit and tribal casinos.

The upper chamber approved the legislation in a series of bipartisan votes on the final night of the lame-duck session, shooting the measure back to the House for final approval.

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The proposal would make Michigan the fifth state in the country to legalize internet gambling, following Delaware, New Jersey, Nevada and Pennsylvania.

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The proposal would allow casinos to apply for a special internet gaming license, subject to a $100,000 application fee, a $200,000 fee for an initial license and an annual $100,000 renewal fee. An “internet gaming platform provider” license would cost $100,000 with a $50,000 yearly renewal fee.

Tribal casinos could also seek an amendment to their compact agreement with the state to allow internet gambling. A chairperson could request the amendment in a letter to the governor, who would be required to negotiate the amendment “in good faith” with the tribe.

Does anybody know what are the chances that it gets signed by the governor? I do not like that Poker report used the phrase ``far from a certainty''.

Gov. Snyder is expected to sign, according to Steve Ruddock/OPR.

https://twitter.com/SteveRuddock/sta...95521322909701

welp... he vetoed the bill. What are next steps? Can they pass this again when the new governor takes office?

Here's Gov. Rick Snyder's veto letter for Michigan House Bills 4926-4928, which would have formally licensed real money online poker games.

https://content.govdelivery.com/atta...20-%204928.pdf

Gov. Snyder's tenure ends in less than 72 hours. New legislation will have to be drafted if online poker is to be considered by the state legislature in 2019. This is very bad news for Michigan online poker fans and somewhat reminiscent Bill Frist's role in the passage of the 2006 UIGEA.

This bill is dead. The new legislature in 2019 will have to start the whole process over, either with an identical bill or a rewritten one.

Gov. Snyder vetoed this bill, citing concerns about cannibalization of state revenues from the land-based casinos and the Michigan online lottery. I suspect that if the bill was for iPoker alone, it would not have met the same resistance. But the bill authorized all online casino gaming, and set the stage for authorization of online sports wagering as well.

Well, here to hoping the state's economy gets so bad that they will be so hungry for cash in a few years that they will be thinking of not only finally passing legal online poker bill but anything else under the sun too like prostitution etc in order to raise revenues. Go to hell Snyder. You already should be in jail for the Flint water disaster.

At least the legal rec weed bill made it thru.

That was a ballot proposal so Snyder couldn’t have vetoed it even if he wanted to. Which he probably did want to just so he could give some dumbass reason like it would lower government income from the tax on liquor

FWIW, legal weed is going to bring in unheard of tax dollars, something online poker simply doesn't do. It passed in WA the same way, with our leaders sitting on their hands, but once the voters approved it, they have been making bank ever since

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...-bill-into-law

https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...ng/2709527001/

we did it!!!

new thread is here - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...019-a-1758022/