This seems like an odd question to me. What was its purpose?

if the AGA keeps PS out, we will be upset at the corporate greedheads for keeping our profits low. But if PS fraudsters and con men are allowed into the market, a scandal could ensue that may make law makers decide against online poker...

Yeah like all those scandals that have ensued in the dozen or so jurisdictions where PS is already licensed. Stop trolling.

I wonder if PS can sue someone for libel if they call them fraudsters and con men?

my conclusion is "dipce" lost lot of money online and hates PS for that reason, sorry don't see any logical explanation to link revel situation to PS

having said that, can we get this thread back on track please ?

US v Scheinberg is not pleasant reading for sober members of the PS fan club, but it suggests the NJ legislature, as part of its poker legislation, should pass a 'bad actor' clause.

I've never been able to see which of the named individuals were charged with what. And, as I believe we've said 20 times, innocent until proven guilty. The DOJ settlement admitted no wrongdoing.

PS is rigged!

AGA Accuses PokerStars of Being “Totally Rigged”

I think 'dipce' may have had a hand in drafting this brief

Isai is gonna go full-on Marlo Stanfield on em and disband the co-op

So who is Prop Joe in this scenario?

Question 5 is a tricky one. Yes i want Pokerstars. No i don't wanna use another company using PStars software. Would i get the same support that Pokerstars offer?

It goes to the question if suitability should be determined by a board or if it should be politicized (like in Nevada with its bad actor clause).

PPA sent the questionnaire to the New Jersey membership and 998 members responded. Here are the results:

1. Have you played real money poker or play money poker on PokerStars?: 94% yes, 6% no
2. How would you rate your experience on PokerStars? (5 = excellent, 1 = poor): 85% voted positively (4 or 5), 3% were negative (1 or 2), while the rest were either neutral (3) or answered that they had never played on the site.
3. Do you think PokerStars should be allowed to purchase the Atlantic Club Casino? 96% yes, 4% no
4. As a player, would you visit a bricks-and-mortar casino owned and operated by PokerStars? 94% yes, 6% no
5. As a player, would you like to have the option to play on an Internet poker web site operated by PokerStars or supported by PokerStars software? 96% yes, 4% no
6. Do you believe that the New Jersey Casino Control Commission should be the authority that determines who is suitable for a license? 73% yes, 27% no
7. Do you believe PokerStars is a “bad actor” that should not be licensed in New Jersey? 5% yes, 95% no
8. Do you support the AGA effort to block PokerStars from being licensed in New Jersey? 6% yes, 94% no

I was uncomfortable answering that question as well... primarily due to my suspicions that the New Jersey CCC is considering an UNPRECEDENTED intervention in the license application, for the purchase of the Atlantic Club Casino, Atlantic City by Rational Holdings (owners of PokerStars/ FTP). In other words: why would a licensing board even CONSIDER an UNPRECEDENTED licensing intervention... unless some of the deciding members of the commission were possibly being paid under the table by the AGA.


Read: I lost my trust in the integrity of New Jersey Casino Control Commission due to their CONSIDERATION (if you've delayed a decision: YOU ARE CONSIDERING IT) of an UNPRECEDENTED intervention in a casino purchase licensing application.

P.S. - There is a remote possibility that the delay by the NJ CCC had absolutely nothing to do with the AGA petition whatsoever and was EXCLUSIVELY due to the untimely filing of paperwork by the Rational Group in regard to their application for a casino license. I'm just going by what I had read in this news article: http://blog.northjersey.com/meadowla...-on-wednesday/, which may be completely misleading.

I'm never right more than 49% of the time, PLEASE correct me LOUDLY if i'm wrong. Isai Scheinberg was present at recent PokerStars meetings as:

a) an ordinary registered PokerStars poker player.

b) as a member of the board of PokerStars, with a current vested interest in such.

My answer is: a) an ordinary registered PokerStars poker player. To the best of my knowledge poker players that wish to register as a poker player on PokerStars aren't screened as to their criminal background, are they? If they're later found out to be criminals are they banned from the site? You're the genius here, what's your answer?

serious question: have you played much on line poker and if so at stars? Because I, like a lot of people in the forums, have played tons and stars was by far the cleanest, best site out there. You call them fraudsters, but everyone who had money on their site got paid like a week after black Friday. They never had any real scandal to speak of. You really are starting to sound like a shill, but maybe you just don't really have any information but don't mind making accusations. You are pretty out of your element here, though. Especially in this sub forum, people have a pretty good idea about the indictments and their resolution and PS operational history.

My attempt:

The revel going into bankruptcy helps Stars chances. I still think the most likely scenario where they are denied the purchase is if some US company agrees to buy and pour money into the property they are bidding on. There is just so much potential there. A major stars sponsored summer tourney series to complement the PCA, foreign exposure for AC, and high confidence that a quality on line site will be up and running quickly.

There is nothing to stop Stars from offering packages and comps for their AC casino on their ROW facing fronts. The AGA just cannot offer all the stuff that Stars can (from an AC revitalization standpoint).

I think the terms of the DOJ settlement were that Isai couldn't be chairman of the board or CEO. It maaaay be that he can't be on the board at all. My understanding is that he was chairman of the board pre-settlement, but that may have been Mark by then.

Could Pokerstars pls just buy Revel, run massive tournaments and give free rooms? Thx

The statutory date parameters lead up to November 2013 so far. They could be lengthened if needed, but no one expects that to happen.

And NO ONE is being silent.

The discussion is everywhere you post. Please get some facts straight before you label people as con men and fraudsters. Posting links to selective articles that happen co-incide with "your preference" is not exactly a factual discussion.

If you live in NJ, you know where Christie stands on making his plans for AC and the state. His policy all along has been damn the politics, and do what is right for the state.

You keep referring to the "fiasco" that happened at Revel. Do you even have any idea whats happened at Revel since the idea for it was even conceptualized years ago? No, you do not. Again with the selective reading.

Yu have made perfectly clear all over the B&M forum that you like playing poker at Revel. Good for you. You have spent a ridiculous amount of energy dissing Borgata and every other casino in AC to promote Revel.

Please explain your agenda and if you have some financial interest in seeing Revel thrive.

Political ammunition in every direction is always easy to find, and if not, it is manufactured, sadly thats the way it is.
Please explain in detail the "scandal" you are discussing re a criminal case that you surely know is not yet complete, nor has anything to do with the application of PokerStars to purchase the Atlantic Club in AC.

Once you do that, rather than your one sentence "sound bites" of rhetoric, I would be glad to explain why your argument is flawed.

I submit that YOU are the one who needs to read a lot more sir. All the news on the subject did not happen in the last six months, as much as you are trying to spin it to appear that it has.

If you think that paying the DOJ one million in a settlement should make a person/individual unsuitable for a license in AC, again I submit that you need to do some fact checking. I published an article yesterday that might give you a few hints. IE Caesars/Boyd/MGM/Optimal/ etc etc. Yeah that glass house argument does make sense eh?


Nor will using select quotes that fit your agenda while leaving out facts that repudiate it

The AGA petition being decided now is only whether or not they have standing to participate in the hearing whether PS can buy the Atlantic Club. The mis-statements of facts in their petition to deny the Interim Casino Authorization are technically moot right now, but they are mis-statements. The proof that they are so, are well documented. Please get off the sound bite train.

US v Scheinberg and US v PokerStars et al are all available for everyone to read. As is the settlement for the company you are bashing. The settlement where they admitted no wrongdoing, nor did the DOJ demand they do so (Unlike others which you have ignored). The settlement actually specifically provides that PokerStars is free to apply for licensing in the US markets when legislation allows.
No one convicted or even charged with any criminal acts, ANY, are included in the application for the license to operate the Atlantic Club.

If you are willing to actually read everything on these cases, including the ones listed in my article yesterday, I would be happy to debate you on any facts that are relevant. That includes all the filings for petitions in the CCC/DGE decisions for licensing in AC. Until you do that, you are obviously pushing your own private aqenda at the detriment of ALL others, and everyone can see that for what it is.

Sweet, sweet ownage by DF, <3.

'...Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, announced today that Nelson Burtnick, who previously served as director of payments for Pokerstars and Full Tilt Poker, pled guilty in Manhattan federal court to conspiracy to commit unlawful Internet gambling, bank fraud, money laundering, and gambling offenses in connection with a scheme to deceive banks into processing hundreds of millions of dollars of Internet gambling transactions...'

http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-rel...bling-offenses

Where does it say that he committed criminal acts for both companies? It doesn't clarify the dates of employment. He may have done nothing wrong while at PokerStars. This link is inconclusive.

...Burtnick admitted committing the crimes while working at ... Isle of Man-based PokerStars...

... Burtnick told the magistrate. “I know that what I did was wrong.”

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-pleads-guilty

Have you heard of tenses?