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Old 04-10-2017, 03:13 PM   #1
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Absolute Poker victim remission

As Garden City Group is largely done processing Full Tilt Poker remission claims (most remaining work is in reviewing appeals), they have been authorized by the Southern District of New York to accept and process claims for former Absolute Poker players. Affected players can file for remission at www.absolutepokerclaims.com

From the SDNY release, at www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/acting-manhattan-us-attorney-announces-compensation-program-absolute-poker-victim:

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Joon H. Kim, the Acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, announced today that the United States has retained the Garden City Group (“GCG”) to oversee a process for compensating eligible victims of a fraud committed by Absolute Poker against United States players who were unable to withdraw funds from Absolute Poker following the Office’s filing in 2011 of a civil money laundering and forfeiture action against Absolute Poker and others in United States v. PokerStars, et al.

GCG is already overseeing the claims process for eligible victims of the fraud committed by Full Tilt Poker against United States players, as described in both United States v. PokerStars, et al., and the indictment in the parallel criminal case, United States v. Bitar, et. al. To date, approximately $118 million has been paid to Full Tilt Poker fraud victims through that process.
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Old 04-10-2017, 03:51 PM   #2
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Re: Absolute Poker victim remission

This is great news even if long over due. It would appear the DOJ does listen, they just take their time about it.

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Old 04-17-2017, 03:36 PM   #3
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What if we do not remember our username or email?
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Old 04-17-2017, 05:00 PM   #4
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Re: Absolute Poker victim remission

Thanks Rich, but I'm dumbfounded on something. What is the logic behind them saying that pro's can't get their money?

I didn't even win a ton of money on there, but I'm labeled a pro and have to produce things that are vague and don't even make any sense. Everyone I speak to just re-quotes the same thing over and over.

"if a player designated as an Affiliate and/or Professional believes they have transactions that did not result from their Affiliate and/or Professional Player status, they can dispute the designation. If you dispute your Affiliate and/or Professional Player designation, you must submit documentation, such as complete and unaltered copies of pro-time and rakeback reports, emails or other online messages, written correspondence, screenshots, player account histories, and bank statements. A written explanation may also be included in order to address the details of the transactions."

Screenshots of what? Communication with who? Bank statements from 6 years ago showing what?

Just makes zero sense. I'd like to get my money too.
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:53 PM   #5
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What if we do not remember our username or email?
Give them a call. They should be able to help.
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:04 PM   #6
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Re: Absolute Poker victim remission

Holy crap! My 8k one time!!
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:23 PM   #7
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Thanks Rich, but I'm dumbfounded on something. What is the logic behind them saying that pro's can't get their money?

I didn't even win a ton of money on there, but I'm labeled a pro and have to produce things that are vague and don't even make any sense. Everyone I speak to just re-quotes the same thing over and over.

"if a player designated as an Affiliate and/or Professional believes they have transactions that did not result from their Affiliate and/or Professional Player status, they can dispute the designation. If you dispute your Affiliate and/or Professional Player designation, you must submit documentation, such as complete and unaltered copies of pro-time and rakeback reports, emails or other online messages, written correspondence, screenshots, player account histories, and bank statements. A written explanation may also be included in order to address the details of the transactions."

Screenshots of what? Communication with who? Bank statements from 6 years ago showing what?

Just makes zero sense. I'd like to get my money too.
I don't see this anywhere. Under "who's eligible" there's nothing stating a "pro" isn't eligible. That would mean 90% of the funds wouldn't be given back because that's probably how much money was lost to "pros". That quote leads me to believe they're talking about sponsored pros for the company.

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Old 04-23-2017, 01:30 AM   #8
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Thanks Rich, but I'm dumbfounded on something. What is the logic behind them saying that pro's can't get their money?

I didn't even win a ton of money on there, but I'm labeled a pro and have to produce things that are vague and don't even make any sense. Everyone I speak to just re-quotes the same thing over and over.

"if a player designated as an Affiliate and/or Professional believes they have transactions that did not result from their Affiliate and/or Professional Player status, they can dispute the designation. If you dispute your Affiliate and/or Professional Player designation, you must submit documentation, such as complete and unaltered copies of pro-time and rakeback reports, emails or other online messages, written correspondence, screenshots, player account histories, and bank statements. A written explanation may also be included in order to address the details of the transactions."

Screenshots of what? Communication with who? Bank statements from 6 years ago showing what?

Just makes zero sense. I'd like to get my money too.
I replied in the NVG thread too.

There are two definitions in the FAQ. One is, "A Professional Player is any player who earns a majority of their income from playing poker, or is known in the industry as a Professional, as approved by the Department of Justice." The other definition is that of a sponsored pro.

The FAQ gives details on how to dispute this. For those who never received compensation for playing (other than rakeback), I'd call and let them know. If that doesn't solve it, send in a letter stating non-sponsored status and any relevant documentation as described in the FAQ (it's hard to prove a negative, which I believe they understand from their FTP experience).

To satisfy the first definition, perhaps provide some evidence of other income, a status of being retired, etc. I suspect they are looking more at sponsored pros than they are about those who derive a living from poker, but I don't really want to speculate at this point.

As we learn more, we'll post info. I assume they'll update the FAQ regularly as well.
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Old 05-01-2017, 07:34 PM   #9
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What if we do not remember our username or email?
Have you switched email accounts a bunch of times or something? Just check every email account that you have and you should have received one from AP in there somewhere.

From there just follow the instructions. I provided my last name as verification and all my old stats popped up.
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