I can't tell you how sick I am at what happened during one cash session during the WSOP.

After 2 months of pure anger and frustration I'm finally ready to discuss this and get opinions and thoughts.

I swear, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the following story is true.

I finished top 75 in event #2, $1500 NL, for a $7K cash.

Frustrated by this I decided to play cash.
I play cash for a living, mostly $5/$10 at commerce.
In 7 years of full time playing I've never been so disgusted by a situation as this.

I sat at a $5/$10 uncapped buyin table with $5,000 at the Rio shortly after even 2 finished.

The table was exceptionally deep, multiple people had me covered.

It was a $5/$10 NLHE game with everyone straddling to $20 on the button.

UTG makes it $60 and gets 3 calls. I'm on button with 10d/10h and make it $200. Initial UTG raiser calls as do two middle position players. Pot is now roughly $800.

Flop comes 10s6c4s.

Checks to me and I bet $600. Initial raiser calls and so does one MP player.
Pot is now $2600.

Turn comes 2h.
Checks to me, I bet $1800, and only initial UTG raiser calls.

Turn comes 6s. Board is now 10s6c4s2h6s... flush completed.
UTG leads $1K and I jam remainder of stack. He snaps and rolls over 6-6 for quads. Top boat no good and I lose $10K plus pot.

Part of the game... not running good... such is life.

I re-load for $5k and we move on. We play no more than 2 orbits when the following happens.

It's again $5/10 with a $20 button straddle.
UTG again opens to $60 with two calls.
I'm on button with 10dJd and make it $200. All 3 players caller for an $800 pot.

Flop comes Qd9s4d. I'm o/e with the flush draw. Checks to me, I bet $600 and all three players call. Pot is now $2600.

Turn comes Jd. That's correct, board is now Qd9s4dJd, and I'm holding 10dJd. My hole card just ****ing appeared on the board. The deck is obviously ****ed. It checks to me. I just got stacked for $5k, and there's a $2600 pot in front of me. If I bet big I know odds are nobody has the flush and I can take down the pot like a scumbag, earn back some of my losses, and get out of there before anybody knows the wiser.

But I'm not a scumbag and I have ethics, so I immediately call the floor.
He comes over, I show him the turn card and my hole cards, and he correctly decides to re-construct the action and give everyone their money back.

But now I'm upset because I'm stuck $5k from the sick cooler hand 2 orbits before, and the deck is obviously flawed.
I just lost a $10K+ pot to a one outer with this same deck. It hasn't been changed and we're less than 2 orbits past that hand.

So I demand they count the deck in front of the table.
While this is happening, it's about 4am and there is one floor man. No backup in site.

During the commotion and my exaggerated frustration all 15 tables surrounding us quit playing.

While I'm arguing with the floor to count the deck, the winner of the $10k plus pot immediately racks up and heads for the door. Exasperated I demand they stop him and make a decision. There is nobody to help the floor and the guy skates out the door without a problem.

FURIOUS I start demanding they do what's right and count the deck in front of the table. At this point I have no idea if the deck has one extra card or it's a ****ing 65 card deck. Anything is possible.

Everybody at the surrounding tables are now uncomfortable playing and play has stopped at all their tables.

The floor man senses this and takes a hard-line stance that it has become a security issue, that he won't count the deck in front of us and puts it in his pocket. Players from other tables start demanding that he show down the deck and he refuses. I demand a second ruling and there is nobody in sight to help.

He calls security over and says that I'm becoming a distraction. He offers me two $10 food vouchers for the mistake, and tells me that my options are to accept the vouchers, or if I continue to protest they will throw me out of the rio and I will lose the privilege to play in any further events or cash games.

Disgusted by the ruling at least 3 $10/$20 tables in the immediate area break because players are no longer comfortable with how it was handled or the decks in play.

What choice do I have at this point except to walk away?
My options are to continue a pointless argument or to lose my ability to play the rest of the WSOP.

So I do the right thing and will NEVER know what really happened.

I have to chalk up losing a $10K+ pot to a faulty deck, with no closure, and walk out of the rio never knowing if I got 1-outed in a natural unlucky hand of poker or if there were 7 6's in a deck of 60+ cards.

All because I did the right thing.

I've played poker full time for 7+ years and this is the first instance, EVER, where I literally had ZERO idea what to do or what was right or I was entitled to as a player.

WTF would you do in this situation?

Then you left the casino, whistled for a cab, and when it came near the licence plate said "Fresh" and there were dice on the mirror. If anything you could say that this cab was rare, but then you thought nah forget it, "Yo homes! To Bel-Air!"

Cool. You're quoting fresh prince in the first serious thread discussion I attempt on the site at 4:30am est. Your life must be rewarding.

Would appreciate some serious feedback. Will bump the thread at more reasonable hours in the next few days to get opinions from actual poker players.

win the pot and call the floor after imo. otherwise you'll get freerolled like you did.

Damn. Talk about bad beats. That's just awful.

So, you could have lost the quads by a bad deck? Well, I'm sure everyone looked at the quads, they were different suits?

Shady shady..

Win what pot? My choices were bet on a knowingly incorrect board or call the floor and surrender the hand for a re-construction chop which I did.

I absolutely knew the deck was ****ed at the point which I had the option.
I would have been knowingly stealing money from a table of unsuspecting players. That's not how I play the game, and would hope people at that level of the game would do the same.

You're saying I should bet the Jd turn when I have 10dJd in my hand and know it?????

bad beat. I would have been way more pissed and would have called the authorities and such if it was the Td and not that Jd.

That would have been a scam for sure.

I 100% lost with top boat to quads VIA a bad deck. The problem is I didn't realize it until 2 orbits later until the deck was jeapordized by my own recognition, and I have ZERO idea of how bad the deck was. I asked for them to count it in front of the table only to have that request turned into a threat of letting the request go or being banned from the WSOP.

I don't know if the deck simply had one extra Jd, or if it was a 65 card deck with an extra card for each card. I'll never know. They took that away from me (us).

But the quads were all different suit (I think, I didn't have time to fully re-construct the hand afterwards) if I'm being totally honest. But for all I know there could have been two 6's per suit in that ****ing deck.

That's an awful story. If there was an extra 6d in that deck I think I'd have taken that place down like Samson did with the Phillistines.

Obviously win the pot in hand 2 if possible then rack up n leave

I feel for you and that is terrible. I heard a lot of similar stories playing at the rio. They handled it poorly. If it makes you feel any better, IF the deck had 2 of the same 6's in it, there is an 80% chance that the same suit would have come up, and someone probably would have known. Doesn't make the 1 outer any better, but it may help you sleep.

2 wrongs don't make a right. Of all the things that I've done that actually bothered me in my life, doing something I knew was cheating (or lying) were the ones that bothered me most.

OP was right to speak up. I don't think people realized that the guy who won the big pot off OP in the story very well may have realized the deck was bad, and he rolled out while the commotion was going on before OP could argue about the 5k pot he lost possibly due to a bad deck.

Gotta be honest, does sound a little made up. But wow, if true, this definitely sucks.

Can't believe they didn't lay the deck out on the table for everyone to see. I would've got the floorman's and dealer's names and checked back in with the poker room the next day or something. If their decks are screwed up in the cash games, what about the tournies?

I've heard bad things about the RIO dealers. Don't they check the decks when there is a new setup? Seems like either the dealer is incompetent, or someone was cheating, which is even worse.

The problem with asking for your money back(I presume that's what you wanted) on the quads hand is now everyone can ask for money back on every showdown that happened with that deck, technically. That would be a cluster****.

fyp

can't you go above their head to the body that regulates gaming in las vegas?

lol at the scumbags saying bet turn in hand 2. what is wrong with you?

not to mention that if the pot happens to go to showdown you're really ****ed.


OP, sorry to hear the story, that's pretty bad. Rio poker staff during WSOP is notoriously ******ed. Anyway, I think it's very unlikely that you got cheated in hand 1 unless the dealer was in on it (lol?). same thing could have just as easily happened reversed...try running better next time.

exactly this, pretty ***** embarassing.

If there were extra cards the shuffle machine will show a red light. Guess you were playing without a shuffler.

Horrible beat, report the floor dude to his superior the next day. Won't get anything out of it but still.

1. well, tbh chopping while having flush is not exactly a "fair" outcome. No clue how to handle it properly thou ( I'm not saying i would bet by any means !@)

2. why would you?

3. my thoughts. Dunno what additional Jack has to do /w dealing 6 on the river, unless villain has additional deck in his pockets and is replacing his hole cards with other cards that connect with the board

When he turned over quads did you check the suits? Faulty deck or not, you would have seen the true about of 6's in the deck.

Obviously if he turns over 2 6 of spades then there is an issue!

The whole point is that there is an unknown number of cards in the deck. Regardless, they shouldn't have even been playing with this deck knowing this. There might not be an extra 6, but the fact that there totally could have been and the floor did nothing to check this is disgusting. Between this and other stories I've heard, never playing @ Rio cash again.

I agree 100% but I am simply asking if anyone paid attention to the suits of the 6?

but the games iz good

lol this is super scummy, I hope you're joking. OP did everything right except for playing cash games @ the rio in the first place. I probably would have flipped out and told the floor to call the gaming commission or something even though I have no idea if he's obligated to.

Also I've played in a game with a faulty deck twice, both times the floor reconstructed the pot in question and voided it, but did nothing about any previous pots. I mean what exactly are you expecting? It seems close to impossible to figure out how many hands need to be voided and who gets how much $$$... Again I would avoid the rio like the plague, this sort of thing is waaay more likely to happen there than any legit vegas cardroom