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Old 02-02-2017, 04:05 PM   #1
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Two Pair on a draw heavy board. Should i commit????

Seat 1: Seat 1 ($1000)
Seat 2: Seat 2 ($1000)
Seat 3: Seat 3 ($1000)
Seat 4: Hero ($700)
Seat 5: Seat 5 ($1000)
Seat 6: Button ($1000)
Seat 7: Seat 7 ($1000)
Seat 8: Seat 8 ($1000)
Seat 9: Seat 9 ($1000)
Seat 7 posts the small blind of $2.5
Seat 8 posts the big blind of $5
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ah 3h]
Seat 9 folds
Seat 1 folds
Seat 2 raises to $25
Seat 3 folds
Hero calls $25
Seat 5 folds
Seat 6 calls $25
Seat 7 folds
Seat 8 calls $20
*** FLOP *** [Ad 3d Jh]
Seat 8 checks
Seat 2 bets $75
Hero calls $75
Seat 6 calls $75
Seat 8 folds
*** TURN *** [Ad 3d Jh] [10c]
Seat 2 bets $200
Hero is all in for 600$
seat 6 folds
Seat 2 calls
Seat 2 shows JcJs

Seat 2 is pretty nitty. His range here is JJ, AQs, AKs, AQo, AKo

Is this shove +EV?

Can I fold here?

Is calling on the turn and calling a safe river a better line?

Is calling on the turn and folding to a bad river really bad since its over a third of my stack?

I am new to this so forgive me if my format is bad. I used an online "live hand to online hand history converter" lol.

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Old 02-05-2017, 12:47 AM   #2
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Re: Two Pair on a draw heavy board. Should i commit????

Well hard to see him leading out with a flush draw so yes his range is what you said. He raised pre so JJ's are in his range but I would have also put him on pair of aces good kicker, I think you are +EV but depending how tight he is he also could have had AJ, granted I would have raised on the flop (wouldn't have gone all in on the raise though that was clearly inevitable and you would have lost either way but still.)
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:13 AM   #3
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Re: Two Pair on a draw heavy board. Should i commit????

i think you are fine, the thing is you say he is nit, so he is gonna do this with jj or any other set, i dont think he is calling just with top pair top kicker, so your shove is gonna be call just by better hands.

Anyways, i probably calling turn and if river is a brick im shoving.
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Old 02-11-2017, 08:57 PM   #4
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Re: Two Pair on a draw heavy board. Should i commit????

Everyone has 200bb flat and you don't? Did you make up the hand history or is it some kind of converter?

You can't call 5b pre this early with Axs

You should probably raise flop for protection (people fold Ax/Jx/gutshots, all good for you).

You should fold or call turn. Raise is super bad. You get a 5way flop and 3way turn. Your hand is a weak to medium strength bluffcatcher. Seems like an easy fold as you won't see bluffs there usually.
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Old 03-03-2017, 01:02 PM   #5
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Re: Two Pair on a draw heavy board. Should i commit????

Fold or 3b pre

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Old 03-13-2017, 07:54 PM   #6
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Re: Two Pair on a draw heavy board. Should i commit????

Thanks for all the feedback. Yeah I agree i misplayed this hand preflop. Since hes a nit his range is weighed towards sets.
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Old 03-14-2017, 09:42 AM   #7
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Re: Two Pair on a draw heavy board. Should i commit????

As stated already, fold or 3b pre. As played, I'd raise flop with a player behind as seat 2 has many Ax combos when he bets in to 2 opponents. As played, when villain bets turn you will not be called by anything worse if you jam so it's either call or fold IMO. Considering you got overcalled on flop by another player they COULD have AJ, AT or KQ as well so that's another thing to consider.
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Old 03-26-2017, 07:58 AM   #8
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Re: Two Pair on a draw heavy board. Should i commit????

Pre flop - Might fold because of bad relative position and your read on player. You can always get reraised by someone after you.

Flop - Raise or call.

Turn - Would rather commit on the flop, than turn. As is, call turn and fold river if 4 broadway or counterfeited.

-Wayne "D22-soso" Chiang, Live at the Bike Player and Commentator
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:55 PM   #9
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Re: Two Pair on a draw heavy board. Should i commit????

Raising the flop doesn't accomplish much against a nit. You'll blow him off of QQ, KK, and if he refuses to felt w/o the nuts (common with nits) he might even dump AK. You're certain to lose AQ.

Same is true on turn, but call v fold is tricky. Does this nit regularly utilize pot control with TPTK? If so you can safely fold turn. If you just know he's a nit but haven't picked up on patterns yet, you probably have to call the turn but you could fold the riv if he bombs it (nits rarely bluff big and don't often make mondo value bets with 1p). This fold will sometimes be bad. You really want to know what this guy thinks of TPTK (some nits treat it like the nuts)
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Old 04-01-2017, 03:40 AM   #10
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Re: Two Pair on a draw heavy board. Should i commit????

With his range and depending how nitty he is I would call once on flop and just fold turn if he bets again on a blank. What do you think he does with a hand like AJ pre though, just fold? If he's really that nitty then you can definitely fold turn when he bets again
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Old 04-03-2017, 04:48 PM   #11
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Re: Two Pair on a draw heavy board. Should i commit????

Raise the flop, fold to any further action, especialyl with the T out.
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