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Squeeze pot TT on Khi, nl600 Squeeze pot TT on Khi, nl600

03-28-2012 , 06:47 AM
Vil is reg fold 3B bt 57% call open 16% bt, fold cb 3B pot 2 out 8 (25%) raise cb 3B pot 3 out 8 (38%)
4B 17%
My Squeeze in such situation is usually wide (openraiser folds a lot to 3B)

I dont know what vill had in this hand because i was disconected, but still it is interesting what do you think about vill's range, do you think he has enough bluffs (we need to be better at least 26%) to play check call?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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CO: $784.92 (130.8 bb)
BTN: $885.20 (147.5 bb)
SB: $439.40 (73.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $711.40 (118.6 bb)
UTG: $592.85 (98.8 bb)
MP: $609 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T T
UTG folds, MP raises to $18, CO folds, BTN calls $18, SB folds, Hero raises to $75, MP folds, BTN calls $57

Flop: ($171) K 6 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $90, BTN calls $90

Turn: ($351) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $180, BTN calls $180

River: ($711) 4 (2 players)
Hero? (366$ behind)
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03-28-2012 , 12:18 PM
bet bigger on the flop and ship the turn if you think betting is good v this opponent. i hate your sizing on all streets and you're now in a very awkward position on this river.
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03-28-2012 , 01:56 PM
i think villains most likely hand is KQ so i c/f the turn...

other parts of his range are slowplays , maybe T9s but we are blocking 2 tens, maybe 87s (rather unlikely), JJ (very unlikely as well since he would shove those preflop imo)

overall im still c/folding the turn, even if it seems so weak...

btw i like your flop and turnbetsize...riversize is still ok...
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03-28-2012 , 02:52 PM
Not really sure why you feel the need to squeeze here, just flat and see a flop. It's kind of close but I'd c/f turn as played, probably c/f river as well.
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03-28-2012 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Scansion
Not really sure why you feel the need to squeeze here, just flat and see a flop. It's kind of close but I'd c/f turn as played, probably c/f river as well.
but his fold cb in 3B pots is so low, by floating he just prints money if we always play check fold turn here w worse than TP.
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03-28-2012 , 03:49 PM
If you think he's floating so often why are you betting turn
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03-28-2012 , 06:45 PM
check/fold river
I think this hand is butchered IMO
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03-28-2012 , 11:20 PM
Turn is terrible. He raises you 38% of the time in 3-bet pots so already we can take out every possible draw out of villains range. This villain doesn't like to fold to 3-bets when he has the button it seems so he probably folds even less to a squeeze. His range is 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AJo+ probably. So after the flop C-bet you probably fold out AQ,ATs,AJ and maybe some other pocket pairs. Either way the turn barrel is burning money. This is the type of board when you want to one and done it.
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03-29-2012 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by daveh07
Turn is terrible. He raises you 38% of the time in 3-bet pots so already we can take out every possible draw out of villains range. This villain doesn't like to fold to 3-bets when he has the button it seems so he probably folds even less to a squeeze. His range is 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AJo+ probably. So after the flop C-bet you probably fold out AQ,ATs,AJ and maybe some other pocket pairs. Either way the turn barrel is burning money. This is the type of board when you want to one and done it.
agreed but if you bet the flop as small as you did you are folding out the smallest amount of hands possible. he floats more the smaller you bet. (w/ some exceptions)
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03-29-2012 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by daveh07
He raises you 38% of the time in 3-bet pots so already we can take out every possible draw out of villains range.
This seems a bit blunt to me, just because a guy raises cbets a lot here doesn't mean he'll raise/fold a gutshot or low flushdraw instead of taking a turn with decent equity and money behind.

Overall I don't think the turn is as bad as people seem to think. You should fold out any gutshot type hand, most floats probably and you get value from 9x which isn't an all too insignificant part of villains range. Especially since he's so raisehappy on flops and thus can be expected to raise/snap flop with a fair amount of his Kx combos. Also, we lose the pot a ton when we check turn unless we have a good feel for villain (in which case this thread doesn't exist). Facing a turn bet without a predetermined plan is awkward and on so many rivers his range simply jumps ahead of ours and c/c thus becomes a lot less attractive.

River is a checkfold though in my opinion. I don't expect him to show up with a busted gutshot and if he raises that many flops Id expect most if not all Axs flushdraws to have raised flop. Most other flushdraws have a 9 in them or are combodraws that have already gotten it in at some point. I kinda feel like this river checks through the majority of the time if we have the best hand.
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03-29-2012 , 05:53 PM
once we are on the river and he bets, I think he can not have any bluffs in his range. the story he sells is KQ, 99, KJ and i doubt he would float fd after the paired turn.
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04-01-2012 , 07:20 AM
Seems like a pretty easy flat pre this deep. If 3betted pre, probably not betting turn. River is a fold if he raises most of his draws on the flop.
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04-01-2012 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by asianflushie
Seems like a pretty easy flat pre this deep. If 3betted pre, probably not betting turn. River is a fold if he raises most of his draws on the flop.
if the openraiser doesnt call squeezes superoften (which is a reasonable assumption since he's sandwhiches postflop most of the time) and 4bets enough to make a 5bet profitable (+folds to the 3bet enough of the time) i like 4betting.

mp is only 100bb deep and very often btn will fold his hand as well... (which he didnt in this case but i dont think hes calling like 22-77 preflop or 87s...)
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04-02-2012 , 12:25 AM
not 3betting this guy w this hand that often, 4b% btw?
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04-02-2012 , 01:09 AM
Just flat pre. It's crazy to worry about trying to get 3 streets of value with a hand that is only 2nd pair a decent percentage of the time.
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