UTG is a mega drooler loves to limp/jam pre with AK/AQ type stuff. CO i don't have many reads on, haven't played him before other than starting a few games with him... He was excessively nitty preflop hu. Pretty sure he only jams TT/QQ/KK/4x/couple AJ combos otr for value but he also plays all those hands the same on every single street.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $10(BB) Merge
SB ($324)
Hero ($2,238)
UTG ($2,931)
UTG+1 ($1,013)
CO ($1,393)
BTN ($1,825)

Dealt to Hero K A



UTG calls $10, fold, CO raises to $45, fold, fold, Hero calls $35, UTG calls $35

FLOP ($140) 4 4 T

Hero bets $93.33, UTG folds, UTG folds, CO calls $93.33

TURN ($326) 4 4 T K

Hero bets $220, CO calls $220

RIVER ($766) 4 4 T K Q

Hero bets $410, CO raises to $1,035 (AI), Hero ?

Pretty sure he only jams TT/QQ/KK/4x/couple AJ combos otr for value but he also plays all those hands the same on every single street.

Like the way you played the hand, and I think you should def fold the river.

sounds nitty but is river too thin?

Yeah river looks too thin.

flop is like the topic when someone flats BU`s 3b vs CO on the BB /w AA 200bb deep. whatever happens, youre not happy

Given the fish's position I'm def donking a lot of stuff there (Iwouldn't want to c/r anything good vs pfr, and similarly wouldn't want to c/c vulnerable, mediocre hands either, rather just try to iso the fish with my entire continuing range)

I think it's a reasonably good spot to donk with overs, and disagree with "whatever happens you're not happy" I will be able to get a decent amount of folds if I fire multiple streets and I have 6 pretty clean outs that villain won't put me on. If both villains fold I'm also perfectly happy about that.

I def considered checking the river, would be interested to hear opinions on that.. I still felt like I was still good ridiculously often and my perceived range was pretty polarized so I could def get hero called.

Meh, while I don't think your perceived range is very polarized, the vast majority would have a hard time calling a raise, especially if he has any blockers. That said you are right he could and should play pretty much his entire value range like this, so I fold.

Even a very weak-passive and showdown oriented player is going to have a tough time calling with Tx. If you're taking AQ and AK out of his range, given the pre-flop action, then this looks like a check-fold on the river.

As played, a very easy fold versus the described player.

That seems to be reasonable, but on other hand, if you're CO holding hand like AJhh you can provide yourself similar 'good scenarios' like f.e. 'BB is prolly 99 or TJ going for value from fish and expect me to play honest cause hes not airballing /w fish in the pot. My float looks strong. My range is stronger (preflop nittyness), I have some hidden backdoors, I play all my value range this way and there is enough BBs behind to mississippi bluff!' In other words, I believe if both of you gonna get a little *fancy* its the villain who's better of it.

Also, he simply might already have a made hand while you're still holding what in fact is just AK-hi. Not to mention that if you get call from a fish you have 25% equity and I don't see myself trying to barrel fish of Tx or PP.

Also*2, - a bit results oriented - as posted, you just spiked your 6 outs, invested 70bbs and still not happy about it. That said, Im nit at heart ;-(

C/c river maybe? I dno, as played fold i guess

how do we not check fold against this type villain?

i'd check/decide river, you're trying to get hero called by a bluffcatcher but you have very few bluffs in your range

if you think his jamming range on the river is TT(3)/KK(1)/QQ(3)/4x(give him 44, so 1 + maybe 2 combos of A4s) and maybe like AJdd that looks to be 11 combos. Appears you need roughly 25% equity to call. So he needs 4 bluffing combos? I'm having trouble finding 1 for described villain.

Yea i mean i tanked for 20 seconds trying to find a reason to call other than villain being a swede and folded and he showed 99, i'm now kind of wondering if he should basically be jamming his entire range simply because I basically never have a 4/QQ/KK.

I think you are underestimating the effects of changing the OP description of villain from

"haven't played him before other than starting a few games with him... He was excessively nitty preflop hu"

to

"swede"



On a serious note, I'd rather 3 bet pre as this hand doesn't play all that great OOP vs multiple opponents and you have poor relative position. I also think people's 4 betting frequency goes up here when they will think you are just trying to bully their iso of the fish, which is obviously nice for you.

Yea i def agree with that, I actually flatted mostly because of this specific fish's limp re-raising tendencies (i'm totally happy 4betting in that case even given stacks)

River's too thin, c/f.

check turn

Why are you leading flop? I don't like leading here with anything.

As played fold river, but I'd either check turn or or c/c river (don't think I'm being results orientated, having seen what he had)

Can see your reasoning for flatting pre but I'd still 3bet just about every time, just missing out on too much value vs both of their huge ranges.

If he's capable of limp jamming (not that 'AK/AQ etc' is even light and is only a fraction of his range) then I'd have thought he can cold call your 3bet a decent amount too. Seems much more likely he overcalls a big majority of the time though.

From his point of view, after the flop and turn action, it looks like you either has a weak Ten, or maybe QT, AT etc.., it is hard to put you on AK, so maybe he was just floating flop and turn with the intention to bluff on the river if you check. On the river you bet just slightly more than half pot, and he probably thinks a jam can steal it away. So I would call here. You only losing to KT and AJ here (that might have called flop and turn) really.

I would say as played has to be a call, you would have to be right at least 28% of the time on the river for it to be profitable. Surely you are right at least that amonut of times? And even if ur wrong you are gaining so much information. Then again im a fish so more than likely wrong.

your strategy is completely backwards.

what's up with all these hands i see lately of guys donking flops multiway on boards that arent good for their range?

Cf river as played fold. The fact that he showed 99 is pretty sick but I like ur fold and don't think it is all that close.