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Old 06-08-2012, 01:14 PM   #1
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QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

SB is a weaker 30/23/2.9/25 regular (big loosing player on 2k hands and onetabling) which appeared as a pretty passive and pot-controlling guy. I took a note a few hours before: "snapshove All-in AA vs DONKbet on 643 in raised pot" which let me think that this player is one of the guys that are afraid to be outdrawn and try to put all their money into the pot when they feel ahead.

He takes some time to call the turn and snapshoves the river into me...

What do you guys think about it?

    IPoker, $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13131651

    Hero (BB): $1,454 (145.4 bb)
    CO: $1,690 (169 bb)
    BTN: $2,389 (238.9 bb)
    SB: $1,543.75 (154.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q T
    CO calls $10, BTN folds, SB raises to $40, Hero calls $30, CO calls $30

    Flop: ($120) K J A (3 players)
    SB bets $80, Hero calls $80, CO folds

    Turn: ($280) 3 (2 players)
    SB bets $180, Hero raises to $430, SB calls $250

    River: ($1,140) A (2 players)
    SB bets $993.75 and is all-in, Hero folds

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    Old 06-08-2012, 03:13 PM   #2
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

    Nh. I generally pitch this pretty happily particularly against weaker players.
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    Old 06-08-2012, 04:54 PM   #3
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

    just go for immediate value on the flop

    also raise turn bigger. he has a hand when he 2barrels that board. he is weak, so dont worry about repping too strong.
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    Old 06-09-2012, 12:56 AM   #4
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

    I just raise flop tbh, and i feel pretty good about folding river, especially against passive weaker players.
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    Old 06-09-2012, 02:51 AM   #5
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

    Snap fold river.

    What hands could he be bluffing/valuebetting that you beat?
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    Old 06-09-2012, 09:45 AM   #6
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

    nvm
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    Old 06-09-2012, 05:07 PM   #7
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

    Raising the flop is a must in this hand, especially since you are deep. you even said in your post that he gets his money in when he feels ahead, just raise flop to 240 or even bigger and possibly just ship non paired turns.

    Good fold OTR tho.
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    Old 06-10-2012, 09:15 AM   #8
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

    I liked the flat otf because we can reduce variance in these spots vs these villains given how the board runs out. We are getting money in anyways by raising turn. Also we let the guy behind to possible put money in.
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    Old 08-03-2012, 05:33 PM   #9
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

    Yeah raise the flop IMO, nice fold btw.
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    Old 08-05-2012, 11:36 AM   #10
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

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    I liked the flat otf because we can reduce variance in these spots vs these villains given how the board runs out. We are getting money in anyways by raising turn. Also we let the guy behind to possible put money in.
    lol what. if you're worried about variance in this situation when we flop the nuts you shouldn't be playing at them stakes.
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    Old 08-05-2012, 12:08 PM   #11
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

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    SB is a weaker 30/23/2.9/25 regular (big loosing player on 2k hands and onetabling) which appeared as a pretty passive and pot-controlling guy. I took a note a few hours before: "snapshove All-in AA vs DONKbet on 643 in raised pot" which let me think that this player is one of the guys that are afraid to be outdrawn and try to put all their money into the pot when they feel ahead.

    ...My note made me folding this hand without much of a thought but without a note I'm not sure, probably would have called him off.
    going by ur read river is a snapcall.

    as played turn raise is too small and yea..flop is always a raise
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    Old 08-07-2012, 02:39 PM   #12
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

    If thats your only note Im calling here
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    Old 08-07-2012, 03:40 PM   #13
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

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    just go for immediate value on the flop

    also raise turn bigger. he has a hand when he 2barrels that board. he is weak, so dont worry about repping too strong.
    this imo
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    Old 08-07-2012, 08:20 PM   #14
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

    nut worst river nh. raise flop as everyone has said already and raise turn bigger as played
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    Old 08-07-2012, 09:19 PM   #15
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    Re: QT - flopped NUTs and let it go on river

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    I liked the flat otf because we can reduce variance in these spots vs these villains given how the board runs out. We are getting money in anyways by raising turn. Also we let the guy behind to possible put money in.
    I dont think thats a good reason to flat flop when you have the nuts...in any case, nearly all of his aces will probably call a large raise in addition to any 2 pair maybe not middle pair with a gutshot given that hes passive/nitty..to him the board pairing or turning/rivering 10 or Q would be a scare card so i think you're better off trying to get as much money in as soon as possible, your turn raise could have been bigger.

    Not sure I am folding the river tbh, other than a slowplayed set it would seem unlikely that he wouldnt shove 2 pair on the turn IMO but obviously you had picked up some tells/play patterns..i suppose the bottom of his range is ax in any case, its close but im probably calling
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