If we aren't raising all our strong hands, then it doesn't seem like bluffraising our floats is going to be effective at all. Look at how many value hands we're raising here, for example:

Board: 7c 3d 2s 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.495% 45.50% 00.00% 3363 0.00 { 88 }
Hand 1: 54.505% 54.50% 00.00% 4029 0.00 { QQ, 77, 55, AQs, AQo }

And villain still has good equity to continue with most of his turn value range.

So basically it's a spot where raising all of our big hands allows us to bluff some, but not many combos (we're going to need to find some way to restrict ourselves by only raising X% of our AQ or something) at the expense of weakening our calling range greatly. If we split our "nut" range up so that we are calling some and folding some, then obviously we can get away with bluffing even fewer combos.

It doesn't seem worth it to me to create a turn raising range--but again, if you're doing it strictly to exploit this particular villain then that seems fine (and not even post-worthy).

I think there's some good discussion itt, and i'm not trying to say anyone is wrong, but isn't raising the turn here overrepping your hand a bit? I mean, if you had AA then i can see him choosing to call u down or 3bet jam turn with some weaker overpairs, but if you raise QQ aren't you only gonna get worse hands to fold and better hands to get it in or call u down?

And as far as creating a turn raising range for the sake of doing so, don't the sets and floated backdoor clubs already allow you to have a few bluffs in your raising range here if you like to? Do you really need to sacrifice the calling value of QQ/JJ by raising in order to create a wider bluffing range?

In 8 months I'm going to not see a post by you and wonder why you are on my ignore list because I forgot this.

I don't even get it :/

Calm down beautiful

Without some history of turn raises, this will get too many folds from slightly worse hands, maybe a few better, and not balance that well. What might you think about this raise if you were villain with JJ? Let's examine why you called pre-flop and that should help with a turn decision.

We call pre-flop in part because:

1. We are not particularly happy about the prospect of getting all in pre-flop against the PFR (it isn't as profitable as flatting in this instance in the long- and short-term sense of the concept)
2. We expect to be squeezed often by the remaining players and QQ does great against their range
3. We have been barrelled extremely often post flop and want some ammunition for picking off bluffs and value bets from worse hands
4. We have been seen raising the flop often and so we want to get tricky while our hand is under-represented, anticipating lots of actions from bluffs and from worse hands
5. We want to protect our range (this is really the previous ideas combined, except for when we're talking about a pre-flop re-raising range, which now appears to be quite tight for value)

Most holdings villain may have that calls down against your turn raise and river bet would put in three streets if you call the turn. By calling the turn, you also keep in villain's (semi-)bluffing range which not only allows you to pick off some bluffs for that big bet on the river, but also also makes it more difficult to villain to optimize a bluffing strategy against you, especially in this hand.

If you're looking for a time to get extra action and to balance with bluffs, then you should probably work in a flop raising dynamic. Starting out by raising the turn in a spot where you don't have much air in your range in order to be called down lightly seems optimistic without more information.

The turn is a clear call also because you would want to call almost always on this turn against a normal type bet size, so to raise you'd need some knowledge of villain's interpretation of your turn raise. The crux of this play is probably whether or not you'll be bet/called on the turn by Ax and many of the worse hands villain bets. I strongly believe that this will not happen without some insanely aggressive history. Because your turn calling range would be otherwise wide (and villain's betting range is wide (for value and bluffs)), absent of any crazy moves, you would want to continue to protect your range and under-represent your hand by calling, an extension of your pre-flop rationale. Nothing situation has improved so much so that you should change your plan from what it was pre-flop. In fact, this scenario is very close to ideal for a call.

I hate the turn raise because it betrays hero's range to the uninitiated player. As a bluff, it's decent, but even still, you may just want to call down and pick off a lot of Ax hands or worse trying to three-barrel bluff you with some turned equity. I could see the plays being close with a hand like 66, unless you're against some unique player type. Even if worse hands call you as often as this raise suggests you guys want, that does not mean that the raise is still even +EV.

There are tons of logically consistent and balance promoting reasons for a call on the turn and none for raising.

There it is, good line on the OP

Shoota has a point though, he buys it there actually with turn flat and not raise, and that balancing works better with flop raising rather than turn. But for this particular villain that line might suit better, I don't doubt your judgement for it.

yea I just go call, call, call(or bet when checked too on lots of rivers) on this board texture if I flat pre

The way it played, call I think ...