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Old 04-22-2010, 04:27 PM   #76
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

yeah i know they are from different countries, and thats just proves the point they arent bots or w/e. proxy is possible but i think it will be just too complicated, but who knows..
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Old 04-22-2010, 05:45 PM   #77
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

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FWIW, iPoker won't even let you open a second skin on the same computer at the same time in my experience.
A clever person can open multiple ones on the same computer. It's just risky as far as alarm bells playing from the same IP, but there are solutions for that too.
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Old 04-22-2010, 05:59 PM   #78
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

me vs the clones. lets leave well enough alone here...

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Old 04-22-2010, 06:13 PM   #79
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

just because you do well vs them doesnt mean there not bots or arent still winning a large amount of money
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Old 04-22-2010, 06:33 PM   #80
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just because you do well vs them doesnt mean there not bots or arent still winning a large amount of money
i kno, it was kind of a joke/brag.
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Old 04-22-2010, 06:43 PM   #81
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

plus they arent going to get any worse (if bots)
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Old 04-22-2010, 06:45 PM   #82
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

Is there actually any proof that they are colluding/botting? Like all I see is a group of people (who probably learned/study together) playing similar styles and different from most 2p2ers and winning. I know I've seen guys similar to that at midstakes full ring on Stars/FTP that win don't see why it's hard to believe they simply play differently but also are good poker players thus win. Haven't played any of them and don't play ipoker so if I'm missing something I apologize but isn't this just an example of how preflop stats aren't everything?
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:29 PM   #83
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I don't think the everest ones are bots either, some of them do talk in chat. The stats posted here are very suspiscious however.
None of them ever chats on Everest. And I never saw any blatant collusion between them. They happen to spew big time against each other sometimes, and I didn't notice any collusion-type preflop play.

And I think it's somewhat likely that they are bots.
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:32 PM   #84
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Another behavior maybe worth noticing : sometimes (Im not sure if it's always or not) they insta sit out after a double up and don't play until the big bling hit them again. That's really weird.
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:45 PM   #85
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

Weird stuff.
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Old 04-22-2010, 09:45 PM   #86
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

I don't see any evidence in this thread that these players are doing anything unsavoury. Yes their style is unusual, but there are plenty of non English training/discussion sites where a group might concoct this style. Nothing about their play seems to indicate collusion or softplaying. It's hard to conclusively say it isn't botting, but this doesn't look like that either. It would be strange if bots were capable of beating mid stakes NLHE but iPoker was the only site affected.

These players play a very strange style, but one I have seen before from multiple players. It's strange, but certainly not unheard of for many players to play a similar style. Many 2p2 mindset regulars have similar stats and have similar reactions to different spots. Lots of shady things happen in the poker world, but this seems like paranoia to me. If there is evidence I'd be interested to see it.
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

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Wow, just saw this - over ~100k hands between the 4 players in the OP they average 33 wtsd and 54 w$sd with a 34% agg factor. Going to showdown 33 is extremely high and so is 54. I'd say most regs average somewhere like 26-28 and 49-53.

Any thoughts on how they are doing this?

Also wanted to add that they are not the only ones playing this style on Party. German player AKsping has been playing like this for at least a year I'd guess. He plays the same no-reload, super high 3bet style.
Wow. That is insanely high. Run in perma god mode? Time to review some hands...
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Old 04-23-2010, 10:56 AM   #88
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

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It would be strange if bots were capable of beating mid stakes NLHE but iPoker was the only site affected.
It's not. Similar stats have been reported on FTP and Party.
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Old 04-23-2010, 11:15 AM   #89
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

Without writing a "how to" to help anyone trying to program a bot, thinking about it some more if I was writing a bot it would be very similar to their style.

Two other things:
1. There are no players playing like this on stars, which is bigger than FTP etc. and very Euro friendly.

2. The guys who play like this on FTP I don't think I have ever seen play in a game less than 6 handed.
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Re: Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker.

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It's not. Similar stats have been reported on FTP and Party.
Where have those stats been reported?

I'm with ***, don't think they're bots and I don't think they're colluding, I just see nothing to support that. I remember a couple of years ago we had a really strong case that there were bots playing at some site, but in the end it turned out to be a bunch of old men nitting it up follwing the exact same strategy. What we have here is weak case and I expect it to turn out similarly.

The only thing I'm a little bit suprised by is that none of the listed SNs have spoken up yet and no one has claimed to know one of them. On the other hand if they're legit they don't really have any incentives to explain themselves, they can just relax and let iPoker do their investigation.
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