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01-16-2017 , 05:42 PM
Hi guys,

I wanted to share a hand I played live 2/5 NLHE game.

This is a full ring game.
HERO and Villain are both very deep with over 300 bb
There is not much info about villain. He seems to be quite solid, not too crazy.

Hero has QQ in bb.

PREFLOP:
Folds to villain (MP). Villain limps, But limps, SB limps.
Hero on bb (QQ) raises to 25, villain and sb calls.

POT: 80

FLOP: K97

sb checks, hero checks, villain bets 50, sb folds, hero calls.

POT: 180

TURN: 4

hero checks, villain bets 50, hero raises to 185, villain tanks and then calls.

POT: 550

RIVER: 5

hero checks, villain bets 240, hero calls.

What do you think about my line with QQ?
I think the flop play is fine. On the turn, his bet size of 50 let me know that he either had a solid K like KJ or a good draw that wants to see showdown for cheap if he misses. I didn't think he had two pair or set with that bet sizing on the turn. So i raise on the turn to 185 for two purpose. If he has a hand like KJ, he can call but can't bet the river once i check. If he has a draw, then he can call and bluff river. In other words, by raising the turn, I can comfortably call the river bet once flush/straight draws miss.

What do you think?

Thanks

Last edited by Roger Mainfield; 01-19-2017 at 01:45 AM. Reason: Moved from MSNL
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01-17-2017 , 10:20 PM
I think you should have c bet the flop, by that you gain more information about V holding, but as played turn raised should hace been a call unless you got a read on V that he is on a draw or u want to turn your hand into a bluff and get him off K10,Kj type of hands,
Bord is draw heavy and since the river bricked i think you should call a bet if ur opponent bets
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01-23-2017 , 12:09 AM
I like bet folding the flop to gain value from his draws...if he raises you can fold and move onto the next hand....as played I would've just check called down

Probably check fold river if it's a spade ace 9 8 or a Q


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01-23-2017 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TEAMTYNEZ
Probably check fold river if it's a spade ace 9 8 or a Q
Did you just say you'd check/fold if the river is a Q?
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01-23-2017 , 01:20 AM
I just bet flop here to keep the initiative. Out of the bb, I probably make it more like 30 or 35 pre. Want to charge people to play in position vs us.

Ap, I think call flop is fine. But the check raise on the turn is sort of bad I think bc we bloat the pot oop when we really have no idea what villain has.

Looks like most draws missed on river so I probably sigh call but expect to see random 2p and kx hands sometimes.
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01-23-2017 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBux
Did you just say you'd check/fold if the river is a Q?


Lol you caught me


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01-23-2017 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by kohyou
So i raise on the turn to 185 for two purpose. If he has a hand like KJ, he can call but can't bet the river once i check. If he has a draw, then he can call and bluff river. In other words, by raising the turn, I can comfortably call the river bet once flush/straight draws miss.
I think you are making too many assumptions about villain's play and behavior. Villain is largely an unknown and your making a very specific read.

The board is also a too wet for this sort of move for my taste. Villain may be betting turn very wide once you check so it's hard to tell what river cards are dangerous. Allowing for gut shot draws, straight draws, flush draws and villain betting a bare ace or A9/A7 the only safe card on the river is a non-spade 2. A lot of those are very unlikely but without a better read you don't know which. You are essentially committed to calling any river bet that isn't excessively big.
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01-23-2017 , 09:58 AM
Your money's in a lot of jeopardy when you get called or when you check and opponent trying to represent the King. Why you call the flop I have no idea. Probably to setup the raise on the turn? In which case you'll be a big dog. You can pick a better spot than that to get committed. That's not to say two Queens don't have a certain amount of value. They do. They're a considerably better-than-average hand. But, for the reason I just mentioned, I seldom raise-back with a pair of Queens from any position…unless it's an unusual situation.

I play two Queens very slow on the Flop. Whenever I play them, I'm really trying to catch a third Queen before I can manage to make some money with them. If either an Ace or a King came on the Flop…I'd play the hand as slowly as possible. If anybody bet with any degree of authority…I'd probably give them the pot.
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01-23-2017 , 10:38 AM
I would usually c-bet this flop, but don't hate check-calling either. However, I don't understand the turn check-raise at all. You're not representing AK, since you didn't c-bet, so you're not going to get better Ks to fold. I guess you're charging draws, but why would he bet $50 with a draw on the turn here when can check behind and realize his equity? It's not going to get you to fold.

I probably call turn and call most reasonable river bets.
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