Organized Party Poker sitout, in protest of sitout scum. - Page 8 - Medium Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

YouSureSir · 05-16-2012, 05:53 PM

Is it just me or did this fix for the sitout issue only make things worse? They didn't listen to any of our feedback... We'll maybe if they actually do warn players it will work.

But I tried to play for the first time in forever and every table I try to start someone comes and sits down and then sits out and waits.??? What is the point of this elaborate scheme? It only punishes fish who go on a smoke break or whatever to have to start a new table. Why not only remove players that are not playing but still playing on other tables?

checkamat · 05-17-2012, 04:44 AM

I don´t think it got worse but I don´t think the problem got solved. Sure you just can´t sit forever on a table now. But if someone sits down people can just sit out as usual, after 5 mins the table closes and then people can just sit out on a new table.
And you can still sit out if the worse player sits out.
How do other sites solve this problem? pokerstars for example?

ITSOVER9000 · 05-17-2012, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by checkamat

How do other sites solve this problem? pokerstars for example?

Stars will hand out warnings/bans both for table camping and sitting out when the fish do.

A lot of people still get away with it but it is far less prevalent than any other site I play on.

YouSureSir · 05-17-2012, 01:52 PM

what I am wondering though is who thinks up these solutions, and spends manpower designing and implementing them when they do nothing for the good?

The problem: Players not helping start tables but rather sitting out and waiting for a fish to come. -Not solved by this system.

The problem: Fish feeling targeted and followed by players sitting in and out as they do. -Not solved by this system.

The problem: players sitting out on one table while playing on others- Not solved by this system.

The only thing I can see this elaborate closing system doing is making it more obvious to fish that players are sitting in and out with them. And removing them from tables when they may have a legitimate reason to be sitting out, whereas everyone else at the table who does not.

If they hand out warnings great, that is the one positive thing coming from this, but really they could have saved a whole lot of time by just making the simple sit out at all tables button and done something ahead of the industry for once instead of always just nipping on stars trail.

I don't feel motivated to return to this site not just because of this issue or how it was handled but because quite honestly with the traffic dropping on the site the big rakeback bonuses no longer are as stable as they once seemed. Just my opinion.

mbyvp · 05-17-2012, 02:11 PM

Well its certainly not perfect, but it is a massive, massive improvement from what i have seen so far.

Well done party for making this step.

YouSureSir · 05-17-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mbyvp

Well its certainly not perfect, but it is a massive, massive improvement from what i have seen so far.

Well done party for making this step.

ok, honestly I haven't played a ton on it so maybe I'm really missing something. What are the key parts that make it a big improvement? Maybe I'll see the light

YouSureSir · 05-17-2012, 06:31 PM

Here is a picture to illustrate the point. Weaker player (who I cut off part of his name for obv reasons) sits out, takes a break, or whatever else. 3 other players instantly sitout, and two continue to keep the game going. When fish sits back in the other players sit back in but all the while continue playing there other tables. Fish feels targeted, doesn't play as much, less tables run and party loses out. Also, unscummy regs have to carry the weight of all the scum because they are forced to play hu. This fix doesn't touch this issue. All it does is encourage the feel unscummy players left at party to sitout as well to break the table.

checkamat · 05-17-2012, 07:54 PM

ye, the only improvement is that the lobby doesn´t look so bad. Guess the only solution is to make people sit out everywhere at the same time. Why isn´t this already done? What are the arguments against it?

jspill · 05-17-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by checkamat

Guess the only solution is to make people sit out everywhere at the same time. Why isn´t this already done? What are the arguments against it?

Below is the discussion so far, I think it's a good idea to revisit it, as even Party_Rep said it was being considered, but then the thread got derailed

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Originally Posted by sirin

one suggestion that i presume would be very easy to implement would be to make it so that if you sit out on one table you sit out on all the other tables (once the blinds come around).

i can't think of any legitimate reason for sitting out at one table and continuing to play at others.

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Originally Posted by Panny1

I still don't see any reasonable argument against sitting out on all tables when you sit out at one?

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Originally Posted by ***

I agree with this 100% and have suggested it in the Ongame thread as well. Eliminating selective sitouts takes away the chance for a kind of behavior that punishes starting games. That's not what regulars want and it's not what Party wants.

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Originally Posted by WTFIJustDid

Instead of having these fancy rules that 1, won't change much of anything and 2, will confuse the fish to the point that they will leave the site, the solution is really simple: take off the sitout button. Make only a sitout all button and a sitout all next bb button. This would solve everything and the fish wouldn't even notice.

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Originally Posted by YouSureSir

I believe the solution should be simple. A) sitout one table must sitout on all, or b) change rules to making sitting out and blocking against rules and forcibly enforce it.

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Originally Posted by Party_Rep

regarding the 'sit out at one sit out at all suggestion' this is something that is being considered from a technical perspective now and will be implemented if possible.

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Originally Posted by gwai lo

for sitout one sitout all, how do you plan to fix the problems that will be created if one table is accidentally sitout while you are multitabling ?

surely it would be annoying to be sat out of all your tables if you timebanked for too long and were forced to sitout, thus making you sitout of all your tables. there are tons of small, annoying reasons for why you would accidentally sitout?

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Originally Posted by shipit2kg

this is your contest to a basic and brillant idea? come on man...

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Originally Posted by Lessu

i like the original idea very much too but he has a point still. if you time out at all tables you should not be instantly sat out at all tables. there needs to be a timer or some other solution

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Originally Posted by ***

I just want to point out that the sit out at all tables idea should be implemented as an inability to post the blinds at any table if you are sitting out at any table. This lets you play around the rest of the orbit at each table when quitting a session.

Also, if you time out while multitabling it's doing everyone else on all of your tables a favour to force you to sit out.

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Originally Posted by mgrobin

If you sit out at one table, the software should automatically tick "sit out next big blind" on all the other tables. This is a very simple and effective solution.

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Originally Posted by YouSureSir

Just make it so if you time out or accidentally click the wrong button that it will sit you out at next orbit. Also you can add in a yes no warning when the blinds come around again that says:

Sit out all tables, sit in all tables. If you click sitout all tables sit out if you click yes all tables sit in. That will stop you from ever being sat out on all tables because of accidentally sitting out at one.

Also, please if you make a warning, add in a 'remove popup warning' in preferences.

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Originally Posted by 10K-in-Clay

gwai, there is no such thing as a perfect solution. sit out one sit out all is definitely the BEST solution imo. Of course there will be random bugs and random flaws but there will be with every solution.

The best way to do it is if you sit out at one table (whether it was your own choice or a timeout or w/e) the software would then auto-check "sit out at next bb" on every table. This way you aren't auto-satout at every table. This solution has sooooooo many positives affects on the state of the games. No people sitting out on a table where 2 regs are trying to start a game - therefore more games start. Less people snap sitting out and waiting for a fish to reload. Less (maybe zero?) table blocking. The list goes on.

I hate it when people say stuff like "sit out one. sit out all isn't good because sometimes while multitabling [insert specific situation] and i'll get sat out even tho i don't want to be!!" Of course people will be sat out prematurely or incorrectly in some cases...if they weren't than the solution wouldn't be good enough imo.

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Originally Posted by Slap My Jack

This is a really good idea, and kinda convenient so I don't have to deal with sitting out on every ****ing table. +1111111

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Originally Posted by McGlashan

Hi to clarify what I'd propose to keep the games flowing are the following options:

sit out and close 1 ring game table on next bb
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sit out all ring game tables on next bb
sit out and close all ring game tables on next bb

If your time bank expires and you time out on one table then the software would remove your privilege to post blinds.
Once you sit back in on the timed out table the privilege to post blinds would be automatically reinstated.

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Originally Posted by YouSureSir

I think there only needs to be 2 buttons to keep things simple, maybe 3 at the most.

-Leave table at bb
-Sit out all tables bb
and possibly
-sit out all tables.

Pretty much this covers everything. If a player wants to leave before the bb comes he can it wont cost him anything, he can just hit the x and close the window. If he doesn't do that and just gets up he will time out and sitout and be gone at the button anyways. I think all it needs is to change the two buttons from:

sit out --> leave table at bb
sitout next bb --> sitout all tbl at bb.

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Originally Posted by PaperEmpire

I don't think it is fair that you can be forced sit out on all tables if you are sitting out on 1 table. Right now PartyPoker has probably the worst software period. If you don't have Autorebuy to table max clicked you are pretty much forced to sit out every time you get stacked. Then after you get stacked you have to reload which can be beyond frustrating when you have lots of tables going and you have to time the autopost blind button clicking. Sometimes it takes me like 3 orbits to finally sit back in.

I think the real solution is for party to upgrade their software from 1998 crappyness to present day standards before they even try to implement a solution.

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Originally Posted by Lessu

maybe you should stop shortstacking?

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Originally Posted by YouSureSir

ya seriously, if that is your biggest issue than sitout 3 orbits or click auto rebuy. No full stacking reg, aside from bots and short stackering leeches, doesn't click autorebuy. Anyways, another even simpler solution to fix your problem is simple. In partys logic, if table balance = 0, allow player to sitout the normal max amount of time. Voila.

AsTightAsJesus · 05-17-2012, 08:58 PM

It is not possible for a fish to not feel targeted. He sits out and just 2 players keep playing, he sits back in and game restarts. And that clear, big sign at his table? Waiting players: 16
LOL, he is a fish, not a dumb retard douchebag.

Lessu · 05-18-2012, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AsTightAsJesus

It is not possible for a fish to not feel targeted. He sits out and just 2 players keep playing, he sits back in and game restarts. And that clear, big sign at his table? Waiting players: 16
LOL, he is a fish, not a dumb retard douchebag.

you can't see the size of a waitlist when you are playing already

I agree with YSS though, this "update" did nothing to solve the problem. I tried sitting out when there was another player sitting out and nothing happened to me for 15-20 hands (don't worry, it was a spanish shortstacker sitting out when i tried it)

jeanchris · 05-18-2012, 12:59 AM

+1 this almost didn't change nothing, what a ****** joke!!!

The only difference is that now I have to *** around and open/close more table because scums sit in/sit out and the table get close. Just more trouble for people that want to play HU.

Oh and obv, the same 2 regs are the only one playing when the fish sitout..

Just ****i*g boot them if they sitout or something, this is completely ridiculous.. or at least Party should start giving warning+ban if we keep a list of people still doing that and report them.

Can you comment on this party rep? Will you take measure to warn/ban scumbags that keep doing that?

PS : Got grim at least 5-6 times today again by those scums

Party_Rep · 05-18-2012, 04:00 AM

Hi,

Firstly, thank you all for your feedback. Rest assured this is with the appropriate department and we are digesting everything you post so please continue to post and send your feedback to our customer service team.

Secondly I can confirm that we have a warning process in place which in the most extreme cases culminates in players having their accounts closed.

I just want to reiterate the fact that we are listening and that we value your feedback so please keep it coming :-)

Party Poker

YouSureSir · 05-18-2012, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Party_Rep

Hi,

Firstly, thank you all for your feedback. Rest assured this is with the appropriate department and we are digesting everything you post so please continue to post and send your feedback to our customer service team.

Secondly I can confirm that we have a warning process in place which in the most extreme cases culminates in players having their accounts closed.

I just want to reiterate the fact that we are listening and that we value your feedback so please keep it coming :-)

Party Poker

First and foremost, I think we all appreciate you posting in this forum about this issue. But can you explain why you introduced a system that did absolutely nothing for the problem after it was pointed out and acknowledged that it would not help? It really makes no sense TBH. It is frustrating to think that party spent countless hours and kept peoples hopes up for a fix for this for two years, and the fix they have finally come up with is virtually invisible.

As for the warning system, if it is enforced to the point I see that people are acting less scummy then I will take back my comments. But I honestly think there are better ways to handle the issues.

Lessu · 05-18-2012, 06:21 AM

let's just all report about this for a while and see if anyone gets banned/stops doing it