CO is playing around 50/22. Button is taggy multitabling reg. BB unknown, nothing OOL so far.

I don't normally open T8s here but have seen CO make bad plays PsF and reasonably deep I don't mind opening here, expecting him to call. My position protects somewhat against reg 3-bets and with a disguised hand I'm happy enough with the preflop action.

So flop gives me two pair and I lead and get called in two spots. I'm not so thrilled. Turn improves things a little. Turn betsizing ok? I get minraised quickly by CO. I'd seen him do this in smaller pots with alternatively A-high, draws, a set.

So what do you think is the best line here? Shove? 3-bet small? Call/crai river? Thanks.



$0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 283.52 BB
BTN: 215.6 BB
SB: 120.8 BB
BB: 114.56 BB
Hero (UTG): 183.48 BB
MP: 136.96 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T 8

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (12.4 BB, 4 players) T 9 8
BB checks, Hero bets 9.6 BB, CO calls 9.6 BB, fold, BB calls 9.6 BB

Turn: (41.2 BB, 3 players) 8
BB checks, Hero bets 24 BB, CO raises to 48 BB, BB folds, Hero..

fold pre, this is literally not gonna make any money...


dont cbet flop its 4ways and getting raised would suck

just call to keep the semibluffs in

Don't like pre.

Flop can maybe size down slightly but I like betting. Turn bet is obviously mandatory.

I play a lot on ignition where the player pool is much fishier than here, and most of the responses you'll get are from people not used to playing/thinking about playing against a 50/22.

90% of the time, a min raise from a player like this is not a bluff. It's not always super nutted (could be something like A8 or even JJ or A9 sometimes). Most importantly, they basically never fold once they minraise. 3-bet, they'll call with worse.

Call turn. Raising folds his bluffs and you don't need any protection here really (besides the two possible OESFD's) . He has one combo of 10's, 3 combos of 9's that beat you here.
You will have a comfortable, less than PSB left on the river to work with.

I think the more interesting spot would be the river after you call. What is your play if the flush comes in? Or 4 to straight? Or Brick? The pot will be massive so you can probably jam most anything I guess to extract the most value. I can also see block betting small trying to induce a spaz. Not so sure about C/R rivers, don't really want to allow him to check back.

Thanks for comments guys. Seems just calling the turn is generally preferred, that surprises me a bit, but the reasons make sense. I guess I just don't have too many lines where I call a turn raise and lead the river, but there's nothing inherently wrong with this of course. ^ ChiTown - Yeah, what to do on river if I just call the raise, it's very tricky depending on what comes.

Pre could well be a fold given the rake. I've actually tightened up significantly on PF opening but might need a touch more.

For the flop I think we need to bet this. We figure to be good now but there are many horrible turns. Yes getting raised would suck but we can pretty happily fold in a lot of instances at this level as in a multiway situation with a big pot and a board like this where someone could easily have a straight or set already, not many are jamming with draws.

I don't really see the point in calling turn with intent to donk river. Definitely seems worse than 3-betting

Well I wasn't really happy doing that either as I was trying to formulate a good plan for various rivers and couldn't come up with anything comfortable. I also didn't want to fold out draws. So I 3-bet just over min.

Bet/3 Betting turn will fold out too many hands you want in there. You are mostly only getting action from 1 combo of 1010, 3 combos of 99, QJ and maybe some weird 8x combo and that's about it. Callings turn keeps in the FD's, SD's, straights, 8x and of course, the 4 combos that beat you currently.


Not saying a small 3rd barrel is the right play but say the river is a brick 3, he has some weird overpair looking to check it back. I think betting 20-25% in this situation is far superior to checking since he will be calling at least some of the time. The rest of the time he is jamming his flushes, straights, 8x and of course, the hands that beat you.

the more I look at this the more I hate the flop cbet.

You might be right, it wasn't an auto flop bet for me, more a reluctant 'guess I have to bet this'. Let's say we check, what's your plan for the rest of the hand?

CO is likely to bet any hands that will call a bet (KJ/AJ) etc

I like to be careful oop mw on boards ike this, even with sets. Plan is to xc at least flop and turn if board doesnt change and assess river

Check might be good. If I am going to bet it I think a bit smaller would be better.

'I think betting 20-25% in this situation is far superior to checking since he will be calling at least some of the time. The rest of the time he is jamming his flushes, straights, 8x and of course, the hands that beat you.'

That might work for the turn call, river donk.

would only open pre if proper deep with fish in the blinds
flop is a check in this position, could make a case for half potting if you were btn just to get value from the 2nd last to act fish after everybody else has failed to lead on the flop
oop I'm def getting as much money in as I can on the turn, the fish clearly has a made hand you beat or something that wants to see a river.

Open pre at 2.5x instead of 3x if your hand includes this range.

OTT you can click it back to like 90-95 and he won't be able to fold any of his hands we are crushing.

^ That's more or less what I did. Just the line seemed a bit odd to me so wanted to get thoughts. Thanks.

2pears are bluffcatchers nowadays? it's fine to bet, we've the high ground when we're ip on a dynamic board,