***OFFICIAL July MSNL HOOKER Thread***

[nuggetz87]

Originally Posted by Fritzy

someone tweeted a picture of the machine check raise/folding 75ss on 8h4s3s, player had K8ss

[x] rigged

yeah I saw this. definitely never playing after seeing that.

[nuggetz87]

Originally Posted by RollinHand

lol @ your dance videos. This is a dance video!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veQkt4tS0Tc

just watched that whole thing for some reason haha

[Syous]

Originally Posted by Eewert

yeah i play hu nl and had never played hu limit in my life before but man, did that thing have a lot of leaks. some reg at a 10-20 table said they have one in the high limit lounge that goes up to 100-200 and if thats true, then it definitely has to be rigged.. and even if it isnt, i wouldnt be surprised if it was.

i'm surprised its not common knowledge though. the highest stake (5-10) is big enough and the machine bad enough, i'd def expect there to be some grinders if the machine doesnt cheat.

Originally Posted by mrw8419

i've talked with some good lhe players and they all feel it is vvtough



if the thing was easily beatable there'd be a line of pros sitting at those machines. Its not like there iss any hu 100/200 action online nowadays so to be able and get action 24/7 with a leaky opponent would be a gold mine for those guys and yet they aren't sitting there.

this is how I feel

and this is why I'm going to make a dick statement and say that a lot of you are ****in retards and overestimate your edge. Otherwise you guys would be grinding that machine 24/7.

So don't say you have an edge if you're not grinding this so called very exploitable machine.

[nuggetz87]

I'm completely talking out of my ass, but I'm under the impression that unpredictability isn't as big a part of being a great player in limit as it is in NL. so maybe some of these tendencies people are picking up aren't actually weaknesses?

[Tempest122]

It does some weird GTO stuff that causes it to make straight up retarded plays occasionally. If it's the one I'm thinking of it would still destroy pretty much anyone but very good HULHE specialists, so basically 99.9% of people who will ever play it.

[RollinHand]

[punter11235]

It does some weird GTO stuff that causes it to make straight up retarded plays occasionally.

No "GTO stuff" could ever cause you to make retarded play occasionally. Proof of this advanced poker concept is a one liner:

If your strategy contains "retarded play" then eliminating this "retarded play" gives you higher payoff against fixed most exploitive strategy of your opponent (by definition of retardness). This means, your strategy is not GTO.
QED.

Btw, I think constructing an AI in this day and age which doesn't beat almost all humans at HU LHE would be pretty pathetic

[nuggetz87]

I think by retarded he meant unusual

[sinner]

breaking bad season 5 one time

[Eewert]

Originally Posted by Syous

this is how I feel

and this is why I'm going to make a dick statement and say that a lot of you are ****in retards and overestimate your edge. Otherwise you guys would be grinding that machine 24/7.

So don't say you have an edge if you're not grinding this so called very exploitable machine.

you are not understanding what im saying.

i think the machine plays less-than-good.* still there are no grinders lining up. conclusion: the machine cheats / is rigged (deals itself more good cards or peaks your holecards or something).

thats what ive been trying to ask. is the machine playing fair?


*i thought i had an edge, i wasnt sure. i had never played limit before, so i'm pretty certain good limit players should do very well against it. if it doesnt cheat.

[PenelopeCruz]

i would say the chances of it actually cheating are very close to zero... wouldn't the casino lose it's license over something like that?

[Eewert]

Originally Posted by PenelopeCruz

i would say the chances of it actually cheating are very close to zero... wouldn't the casino lose it's license over something like that?

I dont think it says it isnt cheating anywhere.

Can anyone confirm if the high limit area really has one of these or not? Because if they do and it doesnt cheat... crazyyyyyyyy.

[PenelopeCruz]

What makes you think it has to say that it isn't cheating?? You think it would be ok for the casino to take out a few face cards from their blackjack decks as long as they don't explicitly state that they aren't cheating? They're obviously implying that it's an up and up poker game, and all you have to do is outsmart the computer.

[Eewert]

Originally Posted by PenelopeCruz

What makes you think it has to say that it isn't cheating?? You think it would be ok for the casino to take out a few face cards from their blackjack decks as long as they don't explicitly state that they aren't cheating? They're obviously implying that it's an up and up poker game, and all you have to do is outsmart the computer.

I dont know, its a slot machine, they usually arent beatable.

Idk, I'm just trying to understand how people arent grinding it if it isnt rigged and goes up to super high stakes.

I definitely love the thing anyways, its the only slot machine I have ever played.

[SlowHabit]

Machine doesn't cheat.