***OFFICIAL August MSNL Countdown-till-we-get-our-FTP-moniez THREAD***

[PenelopeCruz]

Originally Posted by amurophil

god wtf if another company is opening their gambling why doesn't zynga just open facebook poker tomorrow??

after facebook poker is launched, how long until everyone in this thread is a millionaire?

lol idk but I'd say that would be a really good reason to move to the UK

[ATOTHEC101]

Huge drama bomb developing atm involving ADZ

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ayers-1231581/

[Kesky]

Drama on the internet is the best thing on the internet.

[amurophil]

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

Huge drama bomb developing atm involving ADZ

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ayers-1231581/

is this real life

Originally Posted by Bevo54

Regarding Swedes being ruthless in the poker business; The owner of Pokerlistings was killed by Swedish gangsters who had been hired by early PL investors: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...d-dead-552070/

The gangsters shot Andreas in the head when he was in bed with his young son. Obv not saying all swedes in the poker business are gangsters but the posts ITT about Swede players being threatened reminded me of this incident.

Well written piece by a Swedish newspaper on the murder (translated): http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=150

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=130

[theplux]

[ShipItYo]

Originally Posted by NCSU07

http://www.blackdragonsystem.com/upl...oesnt_work.pdf

Pretty good read I think everyone of you not married guys should at least give 10-20 minutes of your time.

This guy also has a really good blog - http://blackdragonblog.wordpress.com/

I really scoffed at this stuff at first, but give it a chance and you will thank me later.

While it's very hard to argue with statistics and his points about marriage, I don't think he's necessarily correct on all ends. Long story short, I think the guy just wants to get laid on a regular basis with multiple people and has written this in defense of his own lifestyle. He put very little value into being someone's "best friend" and looks at couples more like monkeys (which I guess we are to a certain extent). I can agree though that marriage (in America especially) has gotten pretty ridiculous now a days for some of the following reasons:

1) people get married because they have to (unwanted children mostly) which ultimately leads to failure (cheating divorce etc).
2) people get married because they FEEL like they have to. society has this idea that if you aren't married by 25 and have kids in the near future you're behind on schedule. Thus women (and men) have a tendency to jump at the first sign of a serious relationship they find. Most women have a hard time saying "no" to someone who proposes because they don't want to break up, but feel that if they say no the relationship will end.
3) The words "to death do us part" and "I love you" are tossed around like a dirty shirt everyone has worn. I see SO many of my friends drop the love bomb a month into dating a girl. The word "love" used to have a much deeper meaning to it. And the divorce / failure rate of marriage also goes up because it's so easy to just go to the court house and file for a divorce now-a-days.
4) There are scum EVERYWHERE in the world. Believe it or not, the human race is not pretty to look at. Generally speaking, people are pieces of ****. Most people in your life, probably wouldn't think twice about betraying you to get what they want. Thus, that makes it pretty unlikely to find someone who is actually a "decent human being".

Anyways I could obv go on forever about this, but I'm not going to. Just my two cents. Oh, no i'm not married. I've never cheated on anyone in any relationship I've ever been in. Yes, I've been cheated on in previous relationships. Yes, I'm in a monogamous relationship (~ 3 years).

[NCSU07]

Originally Posted by ShipItYo

Long story short, I think the guy just wants to get laid on a regular basis with multiple people and has written this in defense of his own lifestyle

Fair enough, but he defends it quite well. I dont agree that successful/happy monogamy is impossible, but he is dead on with his statistics. Marriages fail more often than not and most of the ones that stay together long enough are miserable.

Lets just face it, signing a traditional mono marriage contract without a strict prenup is -ev in so many ways. Not only do you have >50% chance of divorce in which you not only lose half your assets but you will most likely owe alimony for I dont know how many years. Financials aside, you are promising never to have sex with anyone ever again and she can simply deny you sex for whatever reason she wants if things dont go her way. I cant think of a worse nightmare than being sex deprived and the only way out is to either cheat (in which society would label you as a monster) or divorce and give her have your half your stuff + a monthly payment. Obviously divorce/sex deprivation doesn't happen in every marriage but from what I understand it is about as normal/standard as you could describe (instead of the Disney move fairy tale live happily ever after crap that everyone thinks their marriage should be).

Like I said its def not impossible but I was sure most of you in mono relationships would say something "oh my girl is different, she wouldn't do that". THATS WHAT EVERYONE SAID. Who the hell would get married if they didn't think that.

Being monogamous as a man goes against everything you are wired for biologically and I would love to hear some non religious arguments supporting full on lifetime monogamy other than "oh but we are in love/oh she is different/thats what your supposed to do". And specifically how does it benefit YOU...not your spouse, family, society, etc.

He put very little value into being someone's "best friend"

You can still marry your best friend and have an amazing life together without practicing strict monogamy.

[NxtWrldChamp]

My guess is you have no aspirations of being a father? If you did, i think you would realize the importance of a monogamous relationship and finding that one person to build a family with.

Lol at sex deprivation being your worst nightmare.

You know what is worse than being deprived sex? Being deprived of time with your children and that is a guarantee if you have a child outside of a monogamous relationship.

Ps. Im not really religious

[Daddy Warbucks]

Originally Posted by NCSU07

Lets just face it, signing a traditional mono marriage contract without a strict prenup is -ev in so many ways.

When you start off with this, its a pretty good indicator that you're probably not mature enough to appraise the situation.

(and fwiw i'm single, by choice, right now)

[RollinHand]

[Syous]

Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp

You know what is worse than being deprived sex? Being deprived of time with your children and that is a guarantee if you have a child outside of a monogamous relationship.

Ps. Im not really religious

I think you're preaching to the wrong choir here. I imagine a lot of us can't relate to that feeling nor do we want to at this point of our lives with this kind of job.

So I'd say sex deprivation is worse than not spending time with your children.

[NxtWrldChamp]

Im not trying to preach. Just responding with my thoughts after NCSU posted.

And yes, it appears that I am "preaching to the wrong choir" if you and most are of the opinion that sex deprivation(which is not a guarantee in a monogamous relationship though appears to be the implication) is worse than child deprivation(which is a guarantee in non monogamous relationships).

Of course if you have no aspirations of being a dad, then i can see the view of being opposed to monogamy bc what would be the point?

[RollinHand]

[NCSU07]

Yeah obv if you really want children a marriage is appropriate, but some people would argue you dont have to have monogamy to have a happy family.

Personally the idea of children makes me sht my pants and I'm sure its the same for most of us not married/not engaged guys. If you are already married or 100% plan on a monogamous marriage obviously you are likely to disagree even to the point of being offended. Fwiw that author is divorced with two kids.

[Syous]

Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp

Im not trying to preach. Just responding with my thoughts after NCSU posted.

And yes, it appears that I am "preaching to the wrong choir" if you and most are of the opinion that sex deprivation(which is not a guarantee in a monogamous relationship though appears to be the implication) is worse than child deprivation(which is a guarantee in non monogamous relationships).

Of course if you have no aspirations of being a dad, then i can see the view of being opposed to monogamy bc what would be the point?

I have plenty aspirations, but while I'm single and young, what's the point of even thinking about a family? Time is better spent enjoying the present.

I see it as a blessing to have sex deprivation be one of the worst things I can experience right now. Poker is volatile, the less liabilities you have, the happier you're going to be. To have to worry about supporting other people, ugh, that's just unnecessarily increasing the rake if that **** isn't important to you right now.

do you really not wish you had some more time to chase women all over the world ? Once you have a family that's it, that's an anchor. I don't get the love for that especially in these forums. That's 10 years too early imo.


"i think you would realize the importance of a monogamous relationship and finding that one person to build a family with."

This I agree with immensely. I was just picking on you for the child comment :P It's like 12 tabling vs 1 tabling in a way. Bad metaphor but yes, time spent focused on someone you care about can be a much richer experience, but the single life isn't without merit either. Anyone saying that relationships are evil and -ev, well that's just a bit immature.


Cliffs: This was a roundabout way of saying, all these arguments are elastic/dynamic (proper wording?). It really just depends on what phase of your life you're in. You can't convince someone who's at a different stage to see it your way i.e. having kids vs. no kids argument. It probably gives you a sense of happiness, accomplishment, and challenge that a lot of us wouldn't appreciate at this moment.

NCSU is in total bangbang mode and nxtworld seems like he's happily on his way to grandpa status :P