***The OFFICIAL 2012 Stars Regulars Thread***

[krmont22]

So if there was a reload bonus and you had to clear vpps in sit n gos and/or multiple types of cash games, would you do it?

[lima]

Originally Posted by smartalecc5

You guys realize that the quality of play has increased so much over the past few years tht it has decreased everyones winrate. The fish got cleaned out so quickly now and the edges are so small and the variance so high that pokers becoming less attractive game now.

Variance is very high, but edges are definitely not small. Poker players still make way too much money compared to other people with same intelligence/diligence etc. and it's a disgrace that they are crying over a little bit of rake change.

[663366]

Originally Posted by smartalecc5

You guys realize that the quality of play has increased so much over the past few years tht it has decreased everyones winrate. The fish got cleaned out so quickly now and the edges are so small and the variance so high that pokers becoming less attractive game now.

The biggest reason fish don't move up through the stakes these days is imo not because of horrendous rake(yes rake is bad at lower stakes no doubt) but because 4 years ago they move up by beating up on other bad players otherwise known as 2007 regs who would not have a chance of beating today's game, while today even the medicore players at 1/2 are competent and would have crushed 5/10 back in 2007.

[Imrahil]

Originally Posted by lima

Variance is very high, but edges are definitely not small. Poker players still make way too much money compared to other people with same intelligence/diligence etc. and it's a disgrace that they are crying over a little bit of rake change.

So what is the limit to when people are allowed to protest? And what does the amount of money people make have to do with whether they are allowed to complain or not? If Stars said they wanted to make more money and they are going to up the rake on players making over 100k a year, would you say that it's fine since the players already make so much money? Should people let Stars do anything? At least if people complain about something that might be small PS may be scared to do anything that will take money away from players in the future.

[Bruut99]

Originally Posted by lima

Variance is very high, but edges are definitely not small. Poker players still make way too much money compared to other people with same intelligence/diligence etc. and it's a disgrace that they are crying over a little bit of rake change.

Don't be an idiot. You are in a position where you are way ahead of the curve. Dont underestimate how fast it can catch up with you, especially with rake increases.

I agree that its still very easy to make 100k/year for time invested/intelligence compared to other options, especially with SNE/shortstacking.

[wombert]

Originally Posted by Bruut99

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=506

Lol. Here they come, 40 tablers.

Finally! Some of the 24tabling SNE Chasers slowdown the tables so much..

[Bruut99]

I somehow have a feeling that not many get their tables reduced... Increases to the cap however makes more $_$

[krmont22]

What kind of promotions would best help the games? What do people want to see? Why would it work? Would it bring recreational players?

If anyone wants to discuss these topics, please do. If you want to talk to me personally, please PM me.

I want to help as much as possible, but I can't do it without input.

[mikev]

Originally Posted by Bruut99

I somehow have a feeling that not many get their tables reduced... Increases to the cap however makes more $_$

I like the idea if they manage to implement it correctly, will be pretty hard to do so I guess tho.

[jeanchris]

Games are so infested with SS scum with the happy hour promo :/

[cashy]

dont worry
from what i have read the 40bbers get hit the most(up to 50% less vpps) by the change to WC so they will be all gone soon enough i imagine

[krolewicz]

source on that cashy?

[cashy]

in all the different rake change threads in the Internet Poker forum the 40bbers were reporting(crying like babies) huuuuuuuge VPP rate drops

[lima]

Originally Posted by cashy

in all the different rake change threads in the Internet Poker forum the 40bbers were reporting(crying like babies) huuuuuuuge VPP rate drops

Nice!

[makeit3bets]

so I take it the 40bbers are the new 20bbers?