***The OFFICIAL 2012 Microgaming Regulars Thread***

[TheRick]

Thanks for your thoughts.

Originally Posted by UnderCover_Pro

A few responses The Rick:

In cases with bots on a sites the players in 99% of cases have reported this before the site has acted.Anon tables take this away.Anon tables make collusion harder to spot.

I do agree that anon tables unfortunately harbor bots and colluders but I still don't think it's an argument that anon shouldn't exist. Luckily the sites have a strong financial interest in stopping botting so I just hope they realize this soon and start to spend resources on solutions.

I mainly use my HUD away from the tables at higher levels meta plays a big part against other regs.
As PTR has not tracked MG for some time you did not find like on stars for example players berating 100k losers on there PTR page and at the table at times!
Same goes for HHs so MG was harder to datamine fullstop.

This stuff is all true but tbh I don't really know why it's relevant or what point you're trying to make.

Poker is math.

This isn't a significant aspect of my argument. I'm just saying that I think a more pure version of poker is sitting down with someone you don't know and playing cards. That encourages quick thinking and focus. Sure, poker is all math and I play online so I'm not a live playing saying using HUDs isn't real poker. My point is just that analyzing a 1 million hand database of your opponent away from the tables doesn't feel like a natural aspect of the poker but it's irrelevant to my larger point and doesn't really matter.

I also think that having million hand databases on your opponents unfairly benefits established players and players who are friends with other good players while anon allows for less informational asymmetry and turns the game into more of a meritocracy because you've gotta sit and play well, not rely on away from the table analysis with your crushing friends.

If a site wants to preserve the ecology of there room they need to stop raking the players at micro/lower levels to the point they need to be massive and i mean over 10bb/100 winners,The most important change IMO,just to beat an zero sum game.

HUDs are not the enemy of the recreational/casual player depositor.

I agree but this is also irrelevant to the discussion.

My solution would be Anon table/waiting lists in lobby IE you could not see who is at the table untill you sit then SNs are visable.

I don't think this would be effective unless you force a player who joins to sit for a predetermined amount of time before being able to leave which isn't very workable for several reasons.

[UnderCover_Pro]

This stuff is all true but tbh I don't really know why it's relevant or what point you're trying to make.

Perhaps they have too much information on your playing style? Well, not anymore...

These tables were brought in to scare rec players about tracking software
as said MG was a hard network to datatmine and there is less information about players on MG then all other tracked sites.Bots/collusion are more of a threat to the rec player than a HUD

isn't a significant aspect of my argument. I'm just saying that I think a more pure version of poker is sitting down with someone you don't know and playing cards. That encourages quick thinking and focus. Sure, poker is all math and I play online so I'm not a live playing saying using HUDs isn't real poker. My point is just that analyzing a 1 million hand database of your opponent away from the tables doesn't feel like a natural aspect of the poker but it's irrelevant to my larger point and doesn't really matter.

I also think that having million hand databases on your opponents unfairly benefits established players and players who are friends with other good players while anon allows for less informational asymmetry and turns the game into more of a meritocracy because you've gotta sit and play well, not rely on away from the table analysis with your crushing friends

If you are a strong player like me you will refer to a more math based approach on theses tables against all but the biggest droolers even live Pros study players away from tables the WSOP final table ME is a good example.

As for anon lobbys it starts to stop predatory play from the get go you dont need to make people sit for x time bumhunters will sure get tired trying to find fish with no table scanners ect.You seem to have a limeted grasp on other factors of poker rooms need to do untill there is another boom in regards to liqidity increasing player pools.

[TheRick]

you really think bumhunters will stop bumhunting just because they have to join a player pool first before seeing their opponents? That won't stop them. They'll just be joining and leaving the pool constantly. It's an unworkable solution.

I don't know what you're going on about in the rest of your post. Yes a maths based approach is good at anon. Agreed. Your point?

yes, people study other players away from the table in other forms of poker. My point is that the current system favors established players with established friends. Anon, imo, is purer.

[UnderCover_Pro]

Originally Posted by TheRick

you really think bumhunters will stop bumhunting just because they have to join a player pool first before seeing their opponents? That won't stop them. They'll just be joining and leaving the pool constantly. It's an unworkable solution.

I don't know what you're going on about in the rest of your post. Yes a maths based approach is good at anon. Agreed. Your point?

yes, people study other players away from the table in other forms of poker. My point is that the current system favors established players with established friends. Anon, imo, is purer.

Last post we seem to be going in circles.
Tables scanners are a predatory Bumhunters best freind so is sitting at HU tables waiting for fish.It wont stop it but it makes it harder alot harder.

If i join an anon table im not playing my usual game as adjusting to oppenents is what i do so i will revert to a more abc nitty(purer) style of poker.
I dont know the figures of how tighter/loser these tables are but i would be surprised if they are loser maybe factoring more fishy players but
theory would say there going to be tighter as you dont want to make moves readless.I dont understand established players with freinds i asume you mean collusion when in reallity this is harder to dectect on anon tables by a player.

[Joschka]

Originally Posted by TheRick

Luckily the sites have a strong financial interest in stopping botting so I just hope they realize this soon and start to spend resources on solutions.

The exact opposite is true btw. iPoker proves that every day.


BTT:

If you want to protect fish with anonymous tables you should at least implement a system that enables players to take notes that are NOT deleted as soon as someone leaves the table.
The current system is like forcing people in front of the Bellagio to put on ski mask, blindfolds and earphones before playing...

[Bulabula]

Originally Posted by UnderCover_Pro

.I dont understand established players with freinds i asume you mean collusion when in reallity this is harder to dectect on anon tables by a player.

I think he's saying that established players have more info about their opponents since they can share information about opponents between each other, where as a new guy who doesn't know anyone who plays the games will have much less info about these same opponents.

[UnderCover_Pro]

Originally Posted by Bulabula

I think he's saying that established players have more info about their opponents since they can share information about opponents between each other, where as a new guy who doesn't know anyone who plays the games will have much less info about these same opponents.

Point taken i dont like these anon tables but agree they should be an option for players and they seem to be popular it would be
interesting if these tables are loser or tighter as mentioned.
I dont have the time to study lobbys.

[Lostmyothername!]

is this standard the bigger skins the 30% deal on red32poker ?

higher than that i guess its rogue ?

[Bulabula]

Originally Posted by Lostmyothername!

is this standard the bigger skins the 30% deal on red32poker ?

higher than that i guess its rogue ?

yep

[torontoooo]

So have Unibet just completely ditched their live tournament unibet+ funding now that they used to have for Unibet Opens and other live tournaments with the changing in rake structures that were implemented as of June 1st?

[Nitrub]

any other site than unibet have satellites to unibet open?

[randomas]

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[Vexed?]

Any info on who/how the bad beat popped recently? Was at 190k now 30k

[Bulabula]

Originally Posted by randomas

hey guys,please help me solve a problem.
I used to play on ladbrokes until they stopped operating in my country because of some news laws, and i also had created accounts to clear bonuses while building my roll at stan james and unibet and i do not have 30% rakeback.
What is the next best skin available to play with 30% rakeback?
Thx in advance.

I think Nordicbet is the biggest one after Ladbrokes and Unibet

[Sciolist]

BBJ was hit at about 11pm on the 19th at NL€100. Quad tens over quad nines.