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Old 05-22-2012, 06:34 PM   #16
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Re: NL500 AJ trips vs weird line

1 3b or fold pre

2 bet flop

3 fold river because villain isnt bluffing river and all you beat is a bluff.
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Old 05-23-2012, 07:08 AM   #17
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1 3b or fold pre

2 bet flop

3 fold river because villain isnt bluffing river and all you beat is a bluff.
I was thinking fold pre-flop at first, but the guy 'cbets Flop 86% and Turn 30%'. Seems like we could float him a lot of the time post-flop?
Or do you think a 19/16's UT range is just too tight to mess with even if he is as exploitable as his stats say?

Also, do you always read high cbet% low turn bet% as cbet c/f a lot, or would you be more cautious, as he may pot control or even check-raise a lot?
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Old 05-24-2012, 05:13 AM   #18
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Should have reraised pre flop to see where you were. After that it's always simpler to make a decision. AJ is not calling hand, it's a raising hand.

As the hand was played it's a simple call. Probably he has AQ, KK or even AJ.
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Old 05-24-2012, 09:14 AM   #19
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Should have reraised pre flop to see where you were. After that it's always simpler to make a decision. AJ is not calling hand, it's a raising hand.

As the hand was played it's a simple call. Probably he has AQ, KK or even AJ.

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Old 05-24-2012, 09:20 AM   #20
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Should have reraised pre flop to see where you were. After that it's always simpler to make a decision. AJ is not calling hand, it's a raising hand.

As the hand was played it's a simple call. Probably he has AQ, KK or even AJ.

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Old 05-24-2012, 06:37 PM   #21
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Re: NL500 AJ trips vs weird line

his opening range was probably 16%+ from that position or else I would never call with AJo
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Old 05-24-2012, 07:24 PM   #22
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Fold... A penny saved is a penny earned!
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Old 05-24-2012, 07:46 PM   #23
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ohhh shizzzz, i agree he is rarely bluffing in this spot but on the other hand we never have KT here as played and so i think AJ is still a call but Jx is fold. its top of ouer range, maby he is bluffing or vbeting worse (although rarely imo)

meh, call!
Don't think he is value betting worse here, hardly ever, just based on. You're right about KT. Although.. Maybe he hopes you have KT.

With those stats and that line (the river sizing is sorta weird for him to value raise you, you can get away from Jx here as this guy just said, although a few more monsters in your range are now capable) and any Q is a fold too.. Given that he flats turn OOP too and bombs OTR with 18/15, I think this is a fold more often than a call.
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Old 05-25-2012, 02:38 AM   #24
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Old 05-25-2012, 03:37 AM   #25
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Re: NL500 AJ trips vs weird line

agree with adam on betting flop
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:59 PM   #26
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Re: NL500 AJ trips vs weird line

vs 86% cbet you have a value bet when he checks on the flop, and you should go 3 streets on a safe runout.

turn sizing is murky, I don't see why you wanna bet 3/4 there with anything

river sizing same thing, it looks like you are just random 3/4 auto hotkey button clicking


once he raises it sucks. he could potentially have KJ AJ, and for bluffs like TT. And we are in the top50% of our vbetting range I think. So I'm calling for sure.
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Old 05-27-2012, 01:39 PM   #27
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vs 86% cbet you have a value bet when he checks on the flop, and you should go 3 streets on a safe runout.
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i dont agree about calling though, his bet seizing is too big for value raising worse (only KJ in this spot, and its also debatable if he raising this pf), and don't really belive hes turning TT into a bluff

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Old 05-28-2012, 06:08 AM   #28
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Re: NL500 AJ trips vs weird line

What are his flop and turn checkraise?

Agree with Internet about sizing, and even though I'd probably find a call playing it's probably a fold.

Sure 3/4 looks more random and lends more credence to you potentially rando-betting regardless of how narrow your range is it's relevant. And I don't see why he wouldn't checkraise the turn strong.

However, draws are probably betting the turn? and if TT is in there to bluff, 99 is as well.

Would help to know how often he cr as pfr and how often you bet the flop. Anyway, fold preflop.
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Old 05-28-2012, 08:57 AM   #29
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And we are in the top50% of our vbetting range I think. So I'm calling for sure.
I don't get why people keep saying this. Doesn't it seem like villian is almost certainly the type to hardly ever blufff here - so rather than worry about where we are in our range we exploit them by folding what would be easy GT calls against others? I would think, based on the info in the OP and experience again such players, that AJ is good < 15% of the time.
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Old 05-28-2012, 10:58 AM   #30
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vs 86% cbet you have a value bet when he checks on the flop, and you should go 3 streets on a safe runout.

turn sizing is murky, I don't see why you wanna bet 3/4 there with anything

river sizing same thing, it looks like you are just random 3/4 auto hotkey button clicking


once he raises it sucks. he could potentially have KJ AJ, and for bluffs like TT. And we are in the top50% of our vbetting range I think. So I'm calling for sure.
Can u elobarote on what bet sizing you think is optimal?
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