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Nl1000, 3bpot donk river Nl1000, 3bpot donk river

06-24-2014 , 07:54 PM
$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($2,109) 211bb
UTG+1 ($400) 40bb
CO ($481.91) 48bb
Hero (BTN) ($1,000) 100bb
SB ($1,484) 148bb
BB ($1,197) 120bb

31/23
3bet 12.3
SB vs BTN: Fold 76, Call 12, 3bet 12
Cbets in 3bpot (78,68,38)
Cb-Fold in 3bpot (26,37,...)
Donk river 3
agr (2.5,3.5,2.5), afq (44,50,31)
wtsd,w$sd,wwsf = (32,45,53)

2 hands ago he won about 50bb from me, so I didnt expect much bluff in 3bet from him.
What about his donk river? Can there be any worse hands on this line?

Pre-Flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is BTN A Q
2 folds, CO calls $10, Hero raises to $35, SB raises to $100, 1 fold, CO folds, Hero calls $65

Flop: 2 5 Q ($220, 2 players)
SB bets $100, Hero calls $100

Turn: 9 ($420, 2 players)
SB bets $140, Hero raises to $350, SB calls $210

River: 10 ($1,120, 2 players)
SB goes all-in $934, Hero goes all-in $450

Final Pot: $2,020
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06-24-2014 , 08:30 PM
If you're going to raise on that turn card I don't know why you wouldn't just raise the flop. Villain is rarely folding there looking at his stats and ranges will still be much wider than when he double barrels the turn. His flop bet is just as polarized as his turn bet here.

Raising the flop also gives you the betting lead and determines the amount of money going in on the turn and to a lesser extent the river.

I think I just prefer calling flop/turn and probably calling river.
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06-24-2014 , 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by just_grindin
If you're going to raise on that turn card I don't know why you wouldn't just raise the flop. Villain is rarely folding there looking at his stats and ranges will still be much wider than when he double barrels the turn. His flop bet is just as polarized as his turn bet here.

Raising the flop also gives you the betting lead and determines the amount of money going in on the turn and to a lesser extent the river.

I think I just prefer calling flop/turn and probably calling river.
All this is true, but the turn play (I believe) is mostly a reaction to the small bet size. The trouble is that your opponent has to assume you have air to bet/call here, which seems unlikely.

That unlikely to be true assumption coupled with the river donk bet seems to mean you're in trouble with AQ, too much to call and win enough of the time given your odds.

It's a good spot to check out though and decide what you want to raise on the turn in order to get all-in. I'm not sure if AQ should qualify. That said, the ten is a river that might allow your opponent to exploit you given the above thought process, e.g. "he can't be bluffing, so I'll fold all worse than a hand with similar strength to AA".

AQ also isn't an incredible turn raise because you're less likely to bet bet/called by worse since you block those hands and your opponent may be less likely to blocker bet the turn with them. So you either fold out bluffs with your raise, allow them to play nearly perfectly, or over-represent your range, which also means your calling range is easy to play against. That's pretty gross when you consider the turn + river combination for your opponent being call for you, a great price for him with his semi-bluffs, and a high probability that you pay off with worse and/or fold bluff catchers on the river.
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06-25-2014 , 11:24 PM
SB vs BTN: Fold 76, Call 12, 3bet 12, V Range 77+,KQo+,JTs+.
In the river, hero only win bluff. I think I will call the flop and turn,fold the river in the end. I think V get Set.
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